@ anon 8:37 thats why Nadroga/Navosa & Ra have opted to be independent from Fiji & right now they seeking the blessing of the Queen.They have actually elected their own ministers. It all got to do with Bainimarama bullshit crap & numerous military coup ruining the country. Enough is enough.
@ANON 5:43...Ask Vili Rakoro,he said that he was one of them.What a low life,calling us people racist that did nothing at all to the Indians.Vili was a member of the Qarase government,he was with Speight,and he was one that threw stone's at the Indian houses,stole from their property,and now he tried to justify himself to be a changed man.This man is a traitor,and would jump again,when the going get's tough.
Bainimarama came to the countries rescue in 2000 when people like Kepa supported it. We all know the 2000 coup was an attempt by corrupts chiefs and I Taukei elites whom hoodwinked the nation especially the I Taukei's claiming indigenous sovereignty.
Bainimarama managed to defeat them and installed Qarase as interim PM. As it turns out Qarase was as corrupt too and was friends with most of those who supported the 2000 coup.
And now after Bainimarama had successfully build a better Fiji with a democracy that suits us all these 2000 coup supporters most of whom are with SODELPA are coming out claiming Bainimarama planned the 2000 coup and every other conspiracy theory.
The 2006 coup was something that needed to be done. Obviously we would have preferred a democratic solution however those previous leaders who claim to serve the nation and democracy were a bunch of self serving lying piece of shit.
Qarase is now living it up in the USA. Most of the 2000 coup instigators are now in Australia and New Zealand. And all their friends and families are all posting anonymously here in these blog talking shit and defending their treasonous relatives.
Us the new Fiji are glad we now have a government that actually treats everyone family and properly. All those who are claiming all sorts of hideous allegations are part of the past and history will remember you for the unfair treatment you dished out to us for decades. We are the new modern Fiji and we have learned from putting our faith in the wrong group of self serving people.
As we approach 2015 we are happy in the knowledge that we are being led by the best government Fiji has ever produced. And to the 2000 coup supporters, instigators, Qarase and SODELPA thank you for making us strive to be better. Your deceits and corrupt ways pushed us to strive for a better Fiji and finally we are on that journey of enlightenment.
Are you not embarrassed about following me around in every thread and repeating the same bullshit. Do you think it's going to have a different outcome everytime you do it.
Are you not embarrassed about what you did to your ex wife whom you cheated on and then left for a Aussie gal. You're an untrustworthy person whom fits perfectly in Kepa's company. Birds of the same feather or words to that effect ey.
CRUDE PROPAGANDA, of course, it's easy for you to question my bonafides as an international observer, considering I didn't (and won't) identify myself or my government, and my statement contradicts official statements. And I'd expect no less from someone who is likely a paid propagandist for the military regime. But I was indeed an international observer in Fiji, and one with certainly more Fiji experience than most of the others.
Many of us were quite convinced the elections were stolen, but in the absence of a vocal and visible opposition movement giving widespread and incontrovertible evidence of election fraud, what were we to do but bow to the inevitable? We have no interest in inciting possible civil war or completely rupturing already strained relations, to the prejudice of our own citizens and foreign policy aims, in order to protest something that we cannot change, on behalf of a people who won't stand up for their own rights.
Neither was it clear that Fijian democracy would be all that further advanced had SODELPA won. Ro Teimumu is a sympathetic character, but many of the interests she seemed to champion were not just democracy and the rule of law, but those related to chiefly privilege and the forces of reaction.
The signs of a rigged election were legion, but none of them was a smoking gun or compelling enough to deny us the ability, which we so earnestly sought, to declare with plausibility, and eyes wide shut, Fiji's "return" to "democracy." The international community first signalled its willingness to participate in Bainimarama's fraud, innocuously enough, by announcing its willingness to send observers. As a fundamental proposition, after all, an illegal regime cannot legally impose a constitution or organize a lawful election, but that is precisely what the regime purported to do. By sending observers, the international community tacitly went along with the pretense.
Before you condemn us, understand that the opposition, too, tacitly accepted Bainimarama's fraudulent conditions by contesting the elections upon such a basis, despite the fact that the regime was acting unilaterally and without reference to Fiji's last legal constitution and established election rules.
Regime apologists can go on crowing that their opinions represent Fiji's majority, but the sad reality is that whether they do or not was never fairly decided. Pointing to the "legitimacy" conferred by the international community, acting in its members' own self-interests, is a poor substitute for genuinely free and fair elections.
Wow is this what you lot have been reduced to ey. Claiming to be an international observer without clarifying who you are. Do you honestly think anyone will believe you especially when you're obviously stating the same line of bullshit we've become acustomed to from SODELPA and it's supporters.
Have you forgotten how the lowly institute polls carried out by an independent Australian firm in Fiji resulted in similar votes that the election produced for Bainimarama.
What a really laughable attempt but only succeed in showing the same old pathetic opinions of the racism SODELPA.
Vili Rakobo....sa rauta mada na lasu....keimami kila ni qai yaco na vuaviri 1987, iko se tiko na boci ni tamamu.(still a sperm in daddy's ballbags).During the height of 2000 coup upheavel, as a kid growing up in Muaniweni, throwing stones on Indian houses, as earlier stated by you.
o si via kila kece ga na ka...humble yourself tamana....God hate's proud people.Qarauna, o na kune ga qo o sa na mate.
Well, definitely wasnt speaking on your behalf. And we definitely know your not on our side lady jane , so what's your problem? Keep to your territory and take the beating when it comes then.
Truth just hurts a little doesnt it or maybe too much?
Again, too bad for you. Try taking a picnic today, might suit you better.
Well, definitely wasnt speaking on your behalf. And we definitely know your not on our side lady jane , so what's your problem? Keep to your territory and take the beating when it comes then.
Truth just hurts a little doesnt it or maybe too much?
Again, too bad for you. Try taking a picnic today, might suit you better.
Vili, I think you were just given a mouthful by that brilliant International Observer aye? Poor you!!
Same thing I told you yesterday, we arent stupid you know. These Observers had been given their instructions prior and all that was required was for Fiji to be called a democracy and that was it - the elections were 100% rigged and we all knew that, maybe except for you and the rest??? But are we surprised you're not aware of this? No, not at all because you think you have done your research and so you're full of facts and worst of all because you are thoroughly brainwashed, hello, you've missed out on so much!! We enjoy listening to what you think you know because its rather amusing. But then you've got to take time to listen to us give you a run down of how silly you can be and at least learn something...learn some truth aye?
Like you said, you didnt see anything in the Auditor General's report that showed that the Qatari Government had paid the $20M to the military??? See, you are quite hilarious!! And you still believe that people like myself and now Nayacakalou just cant help but follow you around? Now Im bawling with laughter. How about take a break from your rantings and learn to listen to good instruction??
Hahahahahahahahaha ...you just made my morning, thank you!
So these SODELPA supporters are claiming that the election was rigged even after the international observers dismissed the allegations.
As they claimed the international observers were given an order for Fiji to be democratic so they followed it 100 percent without any questions whatsoever.
Australia and New Zealand governments have been the most vocal against Bainimarama and their election observers whom they sent were ordered to keep their mouth shut. So after years of vocal protests against the Bainimarama government all of a sudden the Australian and New Zealand governments changed their tunes.
And on top of that the lowly institute had done a poll in Fiji and the results was similar to the election.
When SODELPA first found out about what they claimed to be election ballot boxes rather then going straight to the international observers they waited until the pre counting of the results was done where they were sure they wouldn't win then they said something.
And instead of reporting it to the election committe for the attention of the international observers they held a press conference and told the media. They themselves didn't even followed protocols.
And so two days later in front of the media they claimed election rigging. And the international observers did an investigation and found the ballot boxes to be the registration papers so they dismissed the claims.
And here the SODELPA supporters are using that one event to base their allegations from. Absolute frustration and jealousy that even indirectly accused the Australian and New Zealand governments of bowing to the Bainimarama governments, something they've both shown since 2006 that they didn't and wouldn't do.
@ Anon 2.38pm 27/12/14, your post shows that you must be a church pastor so i will respect you for that, I am not worried about the branch nor the roots,I am more concerned about being connected to the Tree [Jesus] for He said that He is the vine tree and we are the branches.
O Jese Sikivou me sa sack,that lady who was there before him was doing a better job.
I think Vili is soldier or ex soldier. ie they cant think for themselves. Whatever the boss says they say it. Boss says "Dig a hole here". They dig it. 5 minutes later boss says "Cover the hole" , they cover it.
Unthinking brainless idiots.
Vili Rakoro is like that!
Next time he writes something, you read it and SEE WHAT THE PARROT HAS TO SAY. Cant think for himself the firkin dickhead.
He is probably high on that shit flowing from 4 miles. I wasn't talking about the pipe either; lol. Figure that one out dickhead!
I think Vili is soldier or ex soldier. ie they cant think for themselves. Whatever the boss says they say it. Boss says "Dig a hole here". They dig it. 5 minutes later boss says "Cover the hole" , they cover it.
Unthinking brainless idiots.
Vili Rakoro is like that!
Next time he writes something, you read it and SEE WHAT THE PARROT HAS TO SAY. Cant think for himself the firkin dickhead.
He is probably high on that shit flowing from 4 miles. I wasn't talking about the pipe either; lol. Figure that one out dickhead!
@Tui Sona 9:33 Right now you shouldn't be worried about Jesus. You should look at the shitty tree you are already CONnected to ie Bainisona.
The problem with people like you WHO HAVE COVERED THEIR EYES, is that they cant see the fruit; so they cant tell what tree they are attached to.
My assessment is that YOU ARE A DOGO BRANCH, growing by the banks of the Wainivula river and happily enjoying the fertilizer. We can see it in your leaves. lol.
Drunk Fiji PM buy drinks for all at Trapps Nite Club and leaves around 6am!! Never heard of such infantile behavior from a Fiji PM. Just confirms that decency and integrity in PM's office has gone to the dogs in Bainimarama's Fiji.
Vili Rakoro's bleats sound more and more pathetic. He kept pointing to the international observers as proof Bainimarama won the election fairly, but now that an international observer speaks out with contrary views, Rakoro dismisses them as the "same line of bullshit" he's accustomed to hearing from SODELPA supporters.
Oh, really? Does Rakoro often hear SODELPA supporters question how much more Fijian democracy would have been advanced under Ro Teimumu, or equate her with the interests of chiefly privilege and the forces of reaction?
Funny, too, how Rakoro and the regime now turn to Canberra and Wellington to validate their phony election.
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in...
Yes indeed Tui. Jesus is the Tree of Life..He is the Vine and we are the branches. IF you were attached to the Vine, you'd be very wary of how you view or regard the branches.
John 15 “Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. 7 But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! 8 When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father.
Crying again? Sure, the elections were rigged. So what? I told you we would rape you in the elections, and we did. There was nothing you could do about it then, and nothing you can do about it now. We have the power to hold your fear in our hands and to show it to you. That's power! You can do nothing.
Canberra and Wellington have been bowing down to Bainimarama for years. In their last ministerial visits, Bishop and McCully were so obsequious as to be almost embarassing. Bainimarama has them just where he wanted them. It's hilarious that even the international observers knew the elections were rigged but couldn't/wouldn't do bollocks.
We're now the "elected government". Don't you see the humour in that? The more you whinge, the harder I laugh. Bwahahaha!
Oversexed academics: Dr Mahendra Reddy challenges Dr Mahendra Kumar for professor of kamasutra title
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Victor lal of Fijileaks has exposed sex scandal cover at FNU by sacked VC Ganesh Chand and his former sidekick, now wducation minister Dr Mahendra Reddy.
At least we at UniFiji took action against former VC, Dr Mahendra Kumar, when he was found pants down with a girl in his office. He was sacked and became known as Professor of Kamasutra thereafter.
It seems that Dr mahendra kumar, son-in-law of Davendra Pathik, might have a rival for that title - none other than his mate and namesake, Dr Mahendra Reddy!
The Vili Rakoro is still spewing nonsense, I see. He repeatedly references the Lowly Institute. Is that like Australia's Lowy Institute, only lower?
Wasn't it the Lowy Institute that earlier published a poll showing that Qarase would beat Bainimarama in an election? Of course, that was before the regime barred Qarase from contesting the elections.
What I don't understand is why, if the elections were free and fair, and the regime is really so popular, then how come Coup 4.5, an opposition website, remains so popular that regime supporters feel the need to post their comments here, instead of on a pro-regime website? If the regime is so wildly popular, then why is it that pro-regime websites can't even sustain readership?
THE WAR AGAINST ISIS IS TAKING A DANGEROUS, PERHAPS INEVITABLE TURN TOWARDS ISRAEL
“They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.” Psalm 83:4
The terror organization has been keen to expand to southern Syria and the Syrian capital of Damascus. Now it says it has recruited three Syrian rebel groups operating in the south of the country in an area bordering the Israeli occupied Golan Heights — that have switched their loyalties to ISIS.
This switch means that Israel, the U.S.’s closest ally in the Middle East, could be threatened from the southwest by the Egyptian ISIS group of Ansar Bait al-Maqdis in Sinai and by ISIS in southern Syria.
@ Vili Rakoro...qarauna na gusumu...na veika au vola baleti iko,e ka kece o cavuta mai gusumu.Na veika o nanuma tiko baleti au,e ka lasu kece,ka rui ka vakaloloma mo nanuma,ka beitaka e dua na tamata e wele tu,ka sega mada ga ni kilai iko.Au sega ni tiko e Australia,au volavola tiko,ena office kei iko,ka kilai iko vinaka,ia mo veiraiyaki tiko.O raica e levu vei keimami,e sega ni volavola ka keimami wilika tiko ka qoroya na levu ni,lialia,dokadoka,kei na lasulasu,e tiko vi koko.Vili e vaka cava ke o dina,niu biuta laivi na watiqu kai Viti,ka vakawati tamata Vulavvula,e cava au racist?E tu na vuna era biu kina,de rau sega ni vinaka vei au na nona qase,de a lasa ga e tuba,ka sega ni kila na kena dina,ka rawarawa ga mo beitaka na tagane.Na nomu vosa o tukuna toka e cake na nomu source (fact's),io kudrau,drau ma caite ga nomudrau source.
How many different people actually contribute to this site? And do you count the copy and paste mob?
Most of the pro government contributors no doubt look in for the entertainment factor.
Look on any site on the web and you will find more moaners than supporters of anything, it's human nature.
Think to yourself why the abundance of religious freaks posting their regurgitated references to their fictitious novel. Yes, the nutters have found a place to play and sell their product.
Is Ganesh Chand sacked as Vice Chancellor of FNU? I think the indo Fijians are worst with corruption and nepotism. None of them should be in top positions.
Two kitchen mahen reddy and namesake dr mahendra kumar in tough battle for professor of Kamasutra title
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@Kamlesh Kumar Dr Ganesh Chand sacking, yes he has been kicked out for gross incompetence, nepotism and ill-treatment of staff.
His one-time side-kick Dr mahendra reddy knifed him. Reddy bedded his tax driver friend's wife, then gave her tea lady job at commerce commission to hush the affair, and gave husband driver job at FNU.
mahen reddy is challenging namesake and another over-sexed academic, Dr mahen Kumar, for title of Professor of Kamasutra.
But it will be a tough battle of the giants as Dr mahendra kumar is a very strong champion and title holder who sacked as UniFiji VC after caught mounting a girl in his VC's office.
Hey, you ever consider what you look like to us in all reality?
You are nothing but an atheist or you do have some connection to Islam? Yes, Islam the false religion, full of fallacies and leads to insane and satanic behavior, really inhumane and crazy.
You are nothing but a pathetic low-life miserable winger.
Sounds like you are begging for a Butt Bomb or something!!
Take your whining to the FF blogsite - come on, vamoose!
"My assessment is that YOU ARE A DOGO BRANCH, growing by the banks of the Wainivula river and happily enjoying the fertilizer. We can see it in your leaves."
Interpretation by Simba Sei O:
This portrays someone who is totally lost, blind and mentally twisted. No light in his world, only darkness. He cant figure out right from wrong.
This sad dogo tree is lifeless, its leaves would be dead brown and shrivelled and no bird finds a place on its drooping branches. It feeds off unhealthy sewer sludge that is uncontrollably flowing into the Wainivula River. Its seedlings may tend to be contaminated and destroyed likewise.
The Truth about The Fiji Sun - Media Bias and the Hypocrisy of Frank B, Military Thug.
Looking back with FijiLeaks:
There’s been much discussion about this. The issue here concerns what many believe to be a lack of fair and balanced coverage by Fiji’s two daily newspapers. The end result of such a scenario is that readers are deprived of the facts, comment and news reporting they require to make informed decisions.
In an election it is even more vital for the people to have access to credible even-handed reporting. Without this an election cannot truly be regarded as free and fair as the electorate is less than well informed and therefore limited in its ability to make a sound judgment on whom to vote for or support.
On June 12th 2014 during the opening of the Fiji First office in Suva, Frank Bainimarama accused the Fiji Times of bias. I thought it was extraordinary that he made no comment about the content and slant of the political coverage of the Fiji Times competitor, the Fiji Sun. This said something about the way his mind works. Many citizens regard the Sun as being primarily a mouthpiece for the Bainimarama government. In other words, they see it as being extremely biased in favor of the administration to the extent that it is a propaganda organ.
Hahaha! very funny to read @Dr mahen reddy and dr mahendra kumar going head-to-head for professor of Kamasutra title. These two academic chandals have not changed from the time I knew them back in the days. Lock up wives, sisters, daughters when they are around!
Is that a frightened laugh 5:25 PM? It sounds shallow and uncertain.
What went wrong was that QORVIS, Fiji Sun, FBC TV and other lying media companies have been believing and broadcasting his lies enhanced by Khaiyum and the people have been led to believe the lies too.
But the lies will soon be realized by all who have been lied to. As the real truths slowly but surely are exposed, then that is when the liars will realize that they should not have told those lies.
It is prophetically and biblically true that all heathen nations will turn against Israel and engage in the last war near Jerusalem. The Prophet Zechariah writes this in in his Book in the Old Testament (2nd last Book before the Book of Malachi).
It will also be then that Jehovah (Jesus Christ), God and King of the Jews, Israel and the whole world will appear on the Mount of Olives, also near Jerusalem, to personally save His covenant people. They will mourn in repentance when their Lord , God and King whom they crucified will be in their midst to fight and gain victory for them in their wars.
As these people see the wounds in His hands and the scars on His side, they will ask, "What are these wounds on Thy hands and side?' The He will answer and say, "These wounds are those afflicted upon me in the house of my friends." Then these people of Israel will repent and mourn and cry as they realize that Jehovah (Jesus Christ) who actually covenanted with them was the very God whom they crucified. They will realize that it was they and not their God who broke their sacred covenant.
As they come unto Him with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and then Israel will become a great nation again, even greater than in the times of King David and King Solomon.
To believe that so many could be hoodwinked and also at the same time we were being told by just about every anti government blogger that 'their' people would not vote for him is something you overlook.
To assume that the majority were conned or did not have the brains to recognise the facts is a rather poor view of the intelligence of those in Fiji.
Look at these SODELPA fools. Believing an anonymous wannabe claiming to be an international observer. Using the one event which was dismissed to claim pathetic allegation.
They think because we Fiji First supporters voted for Bainimarama we must be incapable of thinking on our own yet they are because their opinions are more concrete than absolute facts.
They go on and on about various personal posts about me yet none of them have the ability to debate in a proper context where facts are used.
They try to politicise the pipe burst which has been fixed with a new pipe about to be constructed. They have been posting the usual personal opinions and personal attacks comments.
They are incapable of debating my factual comments instead they try to paint a personal picture. What a bunch of pathetic loosers.
They assume this site is popular because of how many of us come here but little do they know we come here for the entertainment factor. And many more reads it for pure comical debate blunder.
As I have said before I suppose dreams are free ey.
Is you version of 'fact' the same type as that of Mickey Mouse Beddoes when he held up two pieces of paper in his hands and announced to the world, I have caught them out.
Then crept away and hid out of embarrassment after being made to look the biggest dork in Fiji?
That's the problem with people like you and Nayacakalou. You act like some hard man in here posting under an anonymous name. Yet in the real world you don't have the balls to talk in person.
Now Nayacakalou is claiming to work in the same office as me. Well if he had the strength of his conviction he would approach my office or even out in town and speak his mind to me in person.
Yet he hides behind a fake name in here and speaks alot of bullocks. Is this what you lot term as hard man warriors ey. Debate with me in here or in person is fine because that's healthy but when you stoop low to try and get violent then guess what I will return the favour.
The fact you think it's acceptable to shut someone's opinions through violence makes you a coward. You are incapable of convincing people through facts and debate. Instead you want to force them through absolute physical violence.
These reminds me of the 2000 coup instigators and supporters whom the people blindly believe and follow. Guess what your way of convincing people no longer works. Opinion and violence are a thing of the past.
The Fiji First way is facts, debate and most importantly the absolute truth and action. Keep barking lies and violence because in the end that is all your feeble mind is capable of.
And thank you for once again enforcing my points of just how pathetic and sad you lot are.
"The "end of days," so often spoken of by the Prophets, is not to be understood to mean, as some misinterpret it, the end of the world, but it denotes the period when the development and education of humanity will reach their highest point."
Moshe Hess : Rome and Jerusalem the Last National Question
Perhaps the guys who are posting those apocalyptic Biblical pieces need to read the works of some of the modern (and post modern) Hebrew Prophets.
Moshe Hess is the father of Socialist Zionism (Labor Zionism) which is the ideological basis on which the modern State of Israel has been built. The great political and military warriors of the first 30 years of the State of Israel are from that ideological branch of Labor Zionism. The Hagganah is from that branch. This was when Israel was covered with the Shekinah of Yaweh's mercy.
The turning point came in the late 70's when the political change in the Knesset saw the rise of Revisionist Zionism. Thereafter Grapes of Wrath 1 and 2 and then the debacles in Southern Lebanon and the Gaza and Palestinian territories and the never-ending bloodshed. That leadership in Israel today is from the opposite branch of Revisionist Zionism. The Stern Branch gang of Zionism.
Far apart from the great moral warriors of their noble past. Moshe Dayan, Golda Meir etc etc etc
Vili Rakoro, do you have to work at being stupid, or does it just come naturally to you?
You criticise the politicisation of the broken sewerage pipe that now bears your name, but it was you who tries to lay the blame on the governments of the past fifty years, as though the pipe has been broken that long. LOL.
You claim that we're the ones trying to hush people's opinions through threats of physical violence, and yet all of the political violence in Fiji is now being perpetrated by your side.
You say that you're the "hard man" willing to stand and debate the "facts", but the reality is that you're a weenie hiding behind an army of thugs, sodomists and traitors.
You're the one supporting a regime that imposed total media censorship, locked up publishers, and even now puts the media under undue pressure.
Undoubtedly that's one of the reasons you've chosen to overlook for why Coup 4.5 remains the most popular website in Fiji. People still need to come here just to find out what's really happening in Fiji, since the real news isn't covered by the Fiji Sun. This continues even in the months after your "free and fair" elections, now openly disavowed by an anonymous "international observer", and the results of which can easily be explained through rigging.
If, as one of your fellow travelers writes, it's human nature that any website will have more moaners than supporters, then I would submit that you are the moaners. After all, this is a pro-democracy website. It's you and your ilk who are the naysayers here.
If you really represent Fiji's majority, then you should be able to sustain your own blogsite. What else are you paying Qorvis so much money for? You should be able to get Tui Viti and All Hail Bainimarama to contribute their usual scintillating comments. And if we're really all a bunch of Bible-thumping nutters here, then we'll be frequent visitors as well, if only for the entertainment value.
Anyone who believes the "End of Days" prophesied in the Bible actually "denotes the period when the development and education of humanity will reach their highest point" obviously hasn't read the Bible with even a modicum of understanding. The world is destined for some very rough times.
The end of paradise in the Garden of Eden was when Eve ate from the "fruit of knowledge".
What Moshe Hess refers to there is the knowledge which raises man to a level where "man is God".
Where God is created in the image of man, as St Paul refers to in the Book of Romans as man creating a God in his own image or in the image of mans imagination.
Comparing God with your Vu. Mixing the Toa and the Vucu with Jesus Christ. Making your Vanua your Kalou.
That is the knowledge of the fruit from the Garden of Eden (allegorically speaking).
Media censorship is a western invention specifically western journalists whom assume they speak for freedom. And we all know how two face them western media are. In the Iraq invasion coverage both US and UK media hoodwinked both side of the Atlantic and the world to the idea that the invasion was due to Weapons of Mass destruction (WMD).
And as it turned out it was a lie. In the UK News of the world was guilty of invading people's voice mail even one of a woman whom was missing and was being investigated for. They then printed the findings claiming that they had a source. And the family of that woman had to find out through the media About information regarding their daughter/Sister.
The UK government then disbanded that particular media company and set up a media censorship committee.
In Fiji especially in the I Taukei's hierarchy where traditional communication methods are still followed a western style media freedom would clash with it.
In conclusion every government do have some form of media censorship because it is vital to ensure that the media organisations report solid information and obtain those information through legal and moral ways.
Your pathetic attempts at trying to accuse me of politicising the pipe burst clearly shows your one sided view. You overlooked the fact that I was consistently asked by your lot to explain why that happened whilst they accused the government of all sorts. My reply didn't need to politicise it because your lot have already done that. I merely put things in perspective based on solid facts.
Having an opinions is fine but when you try to push it ahead of basic solid facts and overlook evidence then that's where you get frustrated because unlike your lot, us Fiji First prefer to stand on the side of facts and truth.
We get that you lot have sour grapes for loosing the election badly but your persistent to continue trying to force your views and opinions on us regardless of overwhelming evidences is laughable to say the least.
You see when you all say that you advocate democracy it's fine but then you continue to say and act the complete opposite.
Your idea of democracy is one that has held us back for decades. SODELPA did exactly the same speech pre election and we're surprised they lost. And what I find comical is the fact that even now they are still trotting the same racist policy as shown in Kepa's Christmas speech.
Seriously mann you guys lost the election using the same strategy. You all need to change it or come next election you'll loose even more voters. Repeating the same bullshit that lost you many voters is not going to bring them back. That is politics 101. The only chance SODELPA has is to get rid of the old school politicians like Kepa and modernise your party line and manifesto.
Keep repeating the same old bullshit then you're doomed for good mann.
Anonymous 11:10, you'd do better read less Kabbalah and more Biblical commentary.
The end of paradise wasn't when Eve ate from the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Fall was when Adam ate it. God's prohibition against eating the fruit was given to Adam.
The serpent used the fruit to tempt Eve. Eve tempted Adam. But Adam committed the first sin, and that was the Fall.
Coup 4.5 is popular with SODELPA supporters because it enhance their racist mentality. You just don't get it do you. Fiji First don't need a blog because we won. Everything we want the world to know is being done by official media organisations with a seal of approval from Fiji First government and supporters.
Even if there was a Fiji First blog it wouldn't be fun to post in there because everyone there would agree with my views. That's why I prefer it in here where I can be a light amongst the dark souls.
Why is it then that C4.5 can be successful, even with crackpots like Vili Rakoro writing to it who clearly don't agree with its views?
These cretins should publish their own blog. I guarantee you that they will find a lot of people don't agree with their views, that is, if they bother to read their blog in the first place.
Media freedom is a Western invention. Media censorship is not. Oriental despotisms were practicing media controls long before fascism arrived. But it would seem that Vili Rakoro would prefer to take his cues from Hitler and Mussolini.
Few governments in the world control their country's media as tightly as does Bainimarama's regime. Transparency International couldn't even rank Fiji because the regime is so untransparent.
The fascists' claim is always that they're trying to make media more "responsible", but they could just as easily allow media peer review to accomplish the same purpose, if they were sincere.
But they are not sincere. Their real objective is to muzzle the press. That's why they have the Fiji Sun, and we have C4.5.
Well that's a chauvinist interpretation of Scripture isn't it ? (And here I was thinking God told both of them not to partake of the fruit of that Tree in the middle of the Garden !)
So which ever way you cut it they both FELL.
And that FALL is precisely because they believed that they would "know of good and evil" (i.e have knowledge). Gnostic knowledge or whatever it was, bottom line is it was knowledge which obviously made them equal to God (so the serpent said).
So having fallen from that Paradise, our Christian theology teaches that God then made another way for us to reconnect with God. The idea if FAITH. You'll find that very early in Genises where Abram believed and because of his faith he was accounted righteous in Gods eyes.
Of course we Christians have added on a new idea of FAITH in union with Christ.
That was after all that business with the law from Mount Moriah being in adequate to guarantee salvation. So God sent his son down to die on the Cross and make a new way for us to plug back into his Rest (the Rest which Adam and Eve lost by eating that fruit).
So you see it starts from that whole idea of perfection. Not human perfection but Godly perfection. Perfection in the image of God. Or as the Christians believe perfection in Union with Christ, by the Grace of God.
So where does your end of days apocalypse come into all this ? Would be really interested to know ! I mean Koresh and those guys burnt down a few barns somewhere Stateside over that kind of thing, and didn't some other cult have a massive suicide pact waiting for that thing in Guinea ?
Are you kidding me. All western countries have something called the national security act. Whenever they want to censor the media they say it's national security.
The CIA and MI6 are the best at it. Media freedom is confined to within the realms of national safety. Therefore to think that the media should have the freedom to report conclusively regardless of repercussions to the safety of the nation's is nothing short of treason.
Call it a chauvinistic interpretation if you like. My hermaneutics don't place much emphasis on being politically correct. God's injunction to Adam came before Eve even existed.
The Fall of Man was not because Adam and Eve believed that they would "know of good and evil", or because God feared they would know of good and evil. After all, by that point, it was already too late. They'd both already eaten from the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. As I recall from my reading of Genesis, the Fall was because Adam had sinned and had to be expelled from the Garden lest he also eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life, which I infer to mean that God feared that man's sin could result in his permanent separation from God.
Some Jews might still feel otherwise, but Christianity is not a cult. The Branch Dravidians and People's Temple do not represent Christianity whatsoever. To understand the Apocalypse, I recommend that you first read a Christian exegesis of the Book of Revelation, which should tie it in with the prophecies of Daniel, Isaiah, and others.
Vili Rajoro, governments can censor media on the basis of national security, especially in war time. They might need a court order, or they might need the approval of an oversight committee, but they can do it.
Here's an idea for you, Vili. If a media outlet publishes or states something the government deems untrue or irresponsible, then what is to stop other media, or the government spokesperson, from simply refuting the story with facts? I thought you were supposed to be a big believer in the power of facts, after all.
In the past 8 years before election Fiji was not a democracy. It was ruled by decree and by the Military. It was in a state of transformation as a developing nation.
The western democracy style of reports simply did not fit that particular style of governance at that time and to think otherwise is plain stupid.
Obviously we all wish for a media freedom suited to Fiji's version where tradition and religion are respected. Trying to implement a first world media law into a developing country like ours which has tradition and cultures is impossible.
First we must try to modernise and bridge our modern ways together with all our traditional ways so they can work together in harmony. We had to get rid of the racist elements that has for so long affected us in order for us to prosper and take our role in our region and further afield.
Once we have transit into modernisation only then can we start to introduce certain western values. We must remember not all western values and systems will work in our blend of traditional and modern democracy. And to try and force the western values on our people as our past has shown will only succeed in slowing or breaking us down.
The fundamentals of our country is very different from those of the western ones therefore regardless of how good it's theories may be. It's implementation will always fail unless we either wait until we are ready or we adjust it to suit our current realities.
Simply saying that we should implement western style of media reports without factoring in our traditional and religious elements is asking our people to accept something they don't understand. Which basically means you're not really doing it for the very people you claim to represent.
Above everything we must put our people and their needs first. From the ones in the village with little education to the ones in the city who have had higher education.
Finding the balance is the key. We have tried since independence to do that under various governments with similar constitution until 2006 coup and it has not brought us closer to anything just the fat cat elite like the convict Qarase filling their pockets and when they retire they go abroad like USA and live it up. All the while our people continue to struggle and wondering what happened to the promises made to them by politicians like Qarase and those before him.
"As I recall from my reading of Genesis, the Fall was because Adam had sinned and had to be expelled from the Garden lest he also eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life"
Interesting thesis !
So according to you God threw Adam out even though Adam had not sinned ? (i.e not eaten the fruit)
How does that work ?
Was he guilty by default ? guilty by association ? guilty by presumption ? No natural Justice ?
Did he vicariously sin through Eve ?
So Adam never ate the apple and got kicked out nevertheless huh ? It was the woman all along eh ? The Devil woman eh ? Sa Dina !
Anyway, here's the kernel of the issue. Mai wakana.....
Genesis 3 v 1 to 7
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” 2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
The knowledge of good and evil referenced there in Genesis is the knowledge of the Dark side. Vakatevoro. Draunikau, Jadu. Voodooo. That is the knowledge which God still abhors and prohibits today (hence the injunction everywhere in the Bible against consulting spirits, which by the way da cakava sara tikoga na Itaukei ni kua, doing witchcraft na kena veimataqali e tu a na veikoro ni noda vanua, trying toprohesy the future koya qori e caka sara tuga e na noda veivalenilotu siga kei na bogi and etc etc etc.
God abhors it because it all started in the Garden of Eden as a rebellion against him. Adam and Eve for the sake of that knowledge rebelled against God.
Da wilika mada vaka vinaka na noda Vola Tabu ka toso yani ki na loloma ni Turaga me dola kina na matada ki na dina titobu ni nona vosa.
They consulted Satan. That is essentially spiritualism of the type that God prohibits. Na matai saraga ni cakacaka ni vakasausau kei na vakatevoro erau cakava qori in talking to Satan and taking his advise to eat the fruit
Talking to Satan is a revelation. Just like talking to the Vu, to Dakuwaqa, to Moro, to Marama Rua, to the puaka vula, to the Toa, to the Baka tree, to the yaqona bowl. It is a revelation of the Dark side. From that point they knew Satan and they knew God. Sa basoga rua na knowledge. Good and bad.
But they chose Satan and ate the fruit which is essentially metaphorical for tasting the sweet tasting fruit of the worldiness and power. Power because they became "like God".
Dominion under the spirits of this age. Of what Paul calls in the Book of Galatians the powers of this age.
This apocalyptic business is precisely that.
Trying to foretell and forecast the future when Jesus said none of you will know the time nor the day.
Its seancing. No better then the Tarot cards and trying to foresee the future with a crystal ball.
In 2013 the Russians had more than a 1000 war drills, this year 2014 they had 3000 war drills,29 is earmarked for January,2015 already.The US North Pacific Fleet has had several war drills with its allies namely Japan, Taiwan, Aust,NZ,Samoa and Tonga this year, usually they have this oncee or twice a year but several??. As usual media release from the Chinese Military is hush,hush but they have sophisticated war armmament that could rival the US and have naval ships that recently tracked and plotted the path or trajectory for a Chinese Rocket to the Moon and return.This Naval Ship twice docked on our Suva Port.
Question: Why have these Nuclear Powers increased their military manouvers recently?? when bearing in mind the fact that thousands of naval ships,warplanes,helicopters,vehicles transporting troops,arms,tanks,missiles so they will consume millions of litres of fuel which will cost Billions and then the manpower so again Millions spend on food rations,then there is communication and the list goes on, so apart from an actual war Billions are spent on war drills alone without anyone getting killed from friendly fire due to artificial intelligence present in all war arms and ammunition today.
Sabre Rattling as some may call them,then it is some very expensive rattling.
Our position in the Pacific being the hub or center plays a very important strategic position from a military point of view,the Aust Military are very much keen to rekindle past relations with our military the Chinese and Russians are also keen to set up military and naval or support bases in Fiji so if our Gov uses this to its advantage; we could use the benefits to fully equip our soldiers and police on UN Peace Missions.
There Vili Rakoro goes again, this time with a bunch of pseudo-sociological hooey about why Fiji doesn't want "Western style" freedom of speech because we're a developing country that wants to maintain our culture and traditions. That sounds like it came from the same crock of double-speak hocum that Shaista Shameem used to sell, except I'm not sure even she believes that claptrap any more.
Does Bainimarama's regime really strike anyone as a government that wants to preserve our culture and traditions? This is the same regime, after all, that purported to abolish the Great Council of Chiefs and our constitution, just for starters -- only Fiji's paramount cultural institution and our most basic law of the land! It also wants to replace our national flag with one it has yet to disclose. (With the black banner displayed by the gunman in the window of Lindt's Chocolates in Sydney, perhaps? Probably not, but who can say for sure?)
Isn't it funny how when the democratic opposition wants to discuss Fijian culture and tradition, Vili Rakoro accuses us of racism? And yet now comes this self-same Vili Rakoro trying to justify suppression of free speech, lest it somehow harm our culture and traditions!
Of course, don't expect Rakoro to see the contradiction. He's got a talent for overlooking anything that doesn't fit his narrow worldview.
Is freedom of speech somehow inimical to Fji's culture and traditions? Rakoro seems to suggest it is. But looking at the regime's record of organisation-slaying and assaults on our legal and cultural institutions, can anyone doubt for a moment that the vanua and its traditions would have fared better in an atmosphere of freer speech than it has under the regime's repression?
Being a developing country doesn't excuse a government's dismal human rights record or suppression of free speech. We all understand Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs, but freedom of speech and, say, economic development are not incompatible or mutually exclusivef. Indeed, the world's most industrialised countries protect freedom of speech.
Fiji might indeed be a developing country, but so was ancient Athens. It's now nearly 2015 A.D. Is the New Fiji under Bainimarama still struggling to modernise to the level of Greece in the fourth century before Christ?
Forty years ago, freedom of speech wasn't much of an issue. It was our birthright as free people. We were developing then, too -- faster, it would seem, than we are now. Unlike Bainimarama's regime, these past governments managed just fine with so-called "Western style" freedom of speech.
But then, again, they didn't have as much to hide.
Or was it because they had never tried "Eastern style" free speech? That's right, "EASTERN style" free speech -- you know, the kind where only the despot is entitled to speak, and everyone else is entitled only to listen and obey?
Hmmm, now we're getting warm. Sounds quite a bit like Fiji under Bainimarama, doesn't it?
This, then, is Vili Rakoro's vision. Only Bainimarama and his representatives are allowed any say. All potentially divisive issues like identity and racism will just be decided by decree, swept under the rug, or hidden behind the façade of a Potemkin Village.
Yet, how are we to protect our culture and traditions if we're not allowed to speak out in their defence? What would Fiji be without them? Do we choose to be true Fijians or only caricatures of Fijians -- smiling, half-educated natives trading on the commercialisation of the bula spirit, dancing mekes with meanings no one remembers, in homage to a forgotten, now neutral god.
Freedom of speech is recognized as a universal human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. A UNIVERSAL human right. That means it's a right of everyone, everywhere, and unalienable by Rakoro or his regime, even if he thinks he knows what's better for us than we do ourselves. It's precisely because we are a developing country that Fiji needs freedom of speech more than ever, to debate and determine our national destiny, to help guide our way, and to avoid unproductive detours like those forced upon us by the present regime.
THIS IS WHAT DIKHEAD VILI RAKORO SAID on December 29, 1:29AM
""And to try and force the western values on our people as our past has shown will only succeed in slowing or breaking us down.""
VILI doesn't want Western Values FORCED UPON US but he is quite happy to let Bainimarama and Kaiyum FORCED DOWN THEIR 2013 CONSTITUTION UPON US.
THIS SHOWS THAT VILI LACKS THE ABILITY TO STAND BACK AND READ WHAT HE HAS JUST WRITTEN....HE IS A TOTAL FUCKWIT!
If vili is kaiyum then it just shows the farked up brain that kaiyum has. Lacking in empathy and an inability to analyse the stupidity of his own thoughts.
Anonymous @ 7:58, I'm sorry to have to say this, but for someone who chooses to lecture us on the purported "deeper, esoteric meaning" of Holy Scripture, you have an appallingly poor understanding of even one of the most famous and foundational stories of all, the story of man's origins and fall from grace.
I never said Adam didn't sin because he didn't eat from the forbidden fruit. What kind of wild interpretation is that?
Please try to follow. The Book of Genesis mentions two special trees in the Garden of Eden. One was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The other was the Tree of Life.
Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Those were two different trees.
In Genesis 2:17, God forbade Adam to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, lest he surely die. God didn't create Eve until Genesis 2:22.
The serpent persuaded Eve to eat fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
When God learnt Adam had eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, He cast him from the Garden, lest he ALSO eat of the Tree of Life.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
In Galatians, we learn that false teaching can incur the severest possible punishment, eternal damnation. Therefore, we must be careful not to change, even to embellish, God's word. Nor would I suggest we speak to Satan, except to say: "Get behind me."
Is it true that Vili Rakoro has been admitted to hospital because his anus was infected? Well judging by the number of boyfriends he's got we knew that will happen one day hahahahahaha
"22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”"
Sure, which is why St Paul talked about the physical death and why the resurrection i.e Christ rising from the Dead is the conquering not only of sin but also of Death.
The old Adam versus the new man in Christ. The cloak of sin versus the cloak of Grace. The cloak of physical death versus the cloak of the regeneration in the blood of Christ.
Hence it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me (St Paul). That is to say sin and death have been conquered by Christ in me so that I am a new creature in Christ united to the Heavenly Father by grace. His eternal Will that by Christ's death and resurrection the separation of his children (in Christ) from the sinful ways of the world should be complete and that we should be holy unto him. Separated not as the Pahrisees to the law but as new children of God in Christ by the Gospel.
But anyway, where does the apocalyptic "end of days" business fit into the Tree of Life ? That's where we started with your point about the end of days didn't we ? So tell me where does it fit into Christ's Gospel ?
Tui Viti who gives a freaking shit? If this people decide to go to war no peace keeper will stop it ....iko dua na tamata lialia go mada & losea memu waka
@ Anon: Dec 29,2014 3:49pm. We should give a damn when these Powers conduct military manouvers, its a small world,any use of nuclears arms would affect us eventually transported by sea tides and in the air by the winds.
It pays to have friends on both sides of the conflict so when the dust settles both sides will no doubt agree to have Fiji Soldiers on Peace keeping duties,keeping both parties at bay.
Tui, so you mean that Fiji will fare well if we handed over our precious 'hub of the pacific' to China and Russia and just so that these foreign powers can assist Fiji financially to fully 'dress' our soldiers and police on UN Peacekeeping? Are you serious?
Well I dont about that. But right now the world is on alert and if there was a war to take place US and NATO are prepared for it against China and Russia in Eastern Europe. Its the fight over Ukraine.
Just simply saying that for Fiji to offer Russia and China the freedom to come and dock and make our hub their naval/military base is too far fetched but seeing what the FF government is capable of doing for gain, nothing is stoppable.
Does it really agree with you to have these foreign powers with political ideologies and objectives that are diametrically opposed to UN/NATO rules lay nesting in Fiji harbours JUST FOR THE SAKE of assisting our military soldiers to fully equip themselves for peacekeeping duties under the UN?
Just doesnt make complete sense. Dont you think we will be inviting air to ground missiles etc etc when all hell breaks lose?
Good question is where is FF government leading us??
I didnt say 'hand over' those were your words but we could accomodate them if their naval ships need supplies that we could supply,like e.g. Chilled Fiji Gold Beer, it would be a nice change from Vodka,dont you think comrade? Plus many more that our Business houses could provide.
For instance when the Chinese Naval ships berthed at the Suva Wharf they bought all the drinks including Fiji Gold Beer etc from O'Reillys, plus other outlets in Suva.Just imagine the amount of fuel they would need to resupply their ships,then the food etc,they bought more stuff than the all the tourists ships combined. Remember these were young men and women naval officers who work and sweat everyday so they have a huge appetite.
You sound as if US/NATO forces would crush Russia/China let me educate you in a bit of World History the US/NATO were Defeated in the Allied Intervention of the 1918-1920 Russia Civil War. Yes Russia and its allies rallied and defeated them.
1955-1973 Vietnam War again US and its allies were defeated by NVC's trained and armed by Russian Military
Cuba- Bay of Pigs War; the US and its allies were defeated and Fidel Castro is still President
but of course the US has been involved in a lot of wars since 1776 till to date Pakistan/Afghan wars,WMD Wars it has won a lot but was defeated when it involved the Russians, yeah I know the Russians never won the war in Afghanistan but they have never been defeated by the Americans.
We have been taught from a young age when our minds were at its most vulnerability that Communism and Socialism was bad ,that Democracy was the way forward but if you look at which countries are causing wars and declaring wars around the globe you will notice so would any secondary school kid that the Democratic Countries are involved in almost all wars.
Removing leaders like Saddam Hussein,Libya's Gaddafi leaving the land in ruins and more desolate than it ever was before,did the people of these 2 nations voted for the conflict to take place??
That is a question I want you to answer before I will reply to any future posts.
Moscow Update 28/12/14: The Ukrainian parliament has voted to take steps towards joining NATO, a pointed rebuke to Russia that immediately drew an angry response.
With a Russian-backed separatist insurgency still gripping eastern Ukraine, the parliament voted overwhelmingly 303-8, to repeal a 2010 law that codified a policy of “non-alignment,” and to instead pursue closer military and strategic ties with the West.
All these allegations you're posting about the governments human rights violation has never been proven. You're throwing accusations left right and centre without any conclusive evidence to back up your wild claims. Therefore your argument on that particular subject is mute.
On the subject of western style media freedom. Firstly your claim about how I contradict myself with claiming how we need to think about how we merge Tradition and modernisation is weak because the government disbanded the GCC is you twisting my words.
On my comments here I have consistently shown how I look after the people. The GCC needed to go because they had become politicised. They simply have lost the ability to look after their people. The chiefs became greedy.
So the government disbanded the GCC to preserve our tradition and our people whom were mistreated by chiefs and past politicians. The chiefs place is in the village where they attend to the needs and wants of the people.
So when people have a query they tell the chiefs and the chief engage with relevant government authorities. Now you add a western style media it complicate things unless we adjust it or wait till we are ready.
Mere please rather than posting alot of bullshit about your opinions try evidence and facts otherwise you become nothing more than part of the SODELPA crowd who believes more in their opinions then solid facts. Kinda like Kua ni Rere, Nacakalou and Tomasi.
Mereoni you talk through your big cave!!!..I ve been reading most of your posts. You always twist and turn what people say and then give your bullshit of how you see the world!!.Not only that you add words to statements that people didn't even write.Enough of your sensitive hormonal rants going make the farking cup of tea and fry some casava.
Nothing to be gained by propaganda point scoring against the Yanks.
Speak the truth to power. That's okay. Sensible. Good.
Irrational poorly reasoned emotional whims and flights of fancy is irresponsible and only diminishes our standing in the eyes of these superpowers.
Its one thing being brave and another thing altogether being stupid. Lets be brave, not stupid.
Lets think. Lets understand. Lets formulate a coherent doctrinal basis for our position in this new Asia Pacific Century.
For the Yanks the Asia Pacific century means an integration of economies within a dynamic region which is now close to producing 2/3rd of the worlds GDP.
In December 2011 the Yank Armed Forces Command and the top Think Tanks in the States had a conference at Maxwell Airforce Base in Alabama where they war gamed the variables related to the strategic scenario developing for the Asia Pacific region.
Their findings are interesting. One of the key consensus positions (they used the RAND Corporation Delphi methodology) amongst the top Yank Military experts is that the Asia Pacific century will be characterised by an interdependency of economies. That interdependency will be one of the factors for a stable Asia Pacific where socio economic development is the focus as opposed to competing military interests and conflict.
That should be a cue for Suva not to buy into the Lowy Institute fixation of a threat to the Security interests of Australia just because there is a prospect of a Chinese or Russian naval base being set up in the region.
It may be a threat to Australia, but certainly not for the Yanks who do not see it as a likelihood given their own economic interdependency with the China.
Russia, well Putin is playing to a Domestic Russian audience as much as playing his geopolitical manouver in the Ukraine.
Bottom line is Russia needs the West as much as the West needs Russia. Europe relies on Russian Gas and oil. Russia relies on European investments.
And we in Fiji cannot afford to make enemies with any of these big guys. Friends to all hostile to none, that must be the policy.
It would be nice to be friends to all but in the real world that ain't possible. If you wanna sit on the fence that's your choice but some of us would rather die on our feet than live on our knees ey.
Since independence all the way through till 2006 people like you were on your knees to the self serving politicians and greedy chiefs. And now you don't even know you're on your feet because you've been so used to being on your knees.
The World Bank (US controlled) is here in Suva working on the restructure of the Civil Service.
The missions with UNIFIL and UNAMI and even MFO in Sinai (all with US endorsement) see RFMF troops being deployed to mission fields all over the world.
The Asian Bank (again US controlled) signed a hundred million funding agreement last week here in Suva.
All very well talking about dying on your feet rather then living on your knees.
The Government has a responsibility to see to the welfare of the people(which includes the children, women, the elderly and the weak) and not merely pander to the foolish fantasies of some suicide pact idiots who get horny on ideas of going down in a blaze of glory.
Maybe you should go to your village and tell them all these ideas about going down in a Blaze of Glory and dying on your feet and march about your Koro screaming it to everybody in place of the Turaga no Koro and see what the Chief does to you. He'll probably give you a slap.
Oops, sounds like the Vili Rakoro is still spilling its sewage!
But so glad to hear that Chief Warwar isn't self-serving or a greedy politician! In fact, it's remarkable, isn't it, how, after often intervening in Fiji's politics as RFMF Commander, and ruling Fiji for several years now, and after competing in and even supposedly winning election in his own right, Bainimarama still isn't a politician?
Don't let his overseas junkets to the Hong Kong Sevens, or the houses he gives to Mary, or the multiple salaries, or the back pay, or the regimental fund, or the unaudited PM's Emergency Flood Account, or the special arrangements with Aunty Nor, or the Island Business photo of him kissing babies deceive you into thinking he's a greedy politician! After all, we now have Vili Rakoro's assurance that he's not.
Anonymous, you're asking me to comment on a very complex subject, about which have formed many schools of thought, each with its own fascinating body of literature. Moreover, this is a topic rather far from the mark from what this website is supposed to be, which is a clearinghouse for real news on Fiji and a forum for those of us who wish to see democracy restored to Fiji. Nonetheless, I'll try to answer you carefully, bearing in mind the possible penalty for false teaching, but also feeling that, in the final analysis, we should use the opportunities that come our way to build God's kingdom. If but one of C4.5's readers is touched by God through my effort, then it will be worth it.
You ask how the Tree of Life relates to the Apocalypse and the End of Days. Some, like full preterists, believe the End of Days, or Eschaton, doesn't refer to the actual destruction of the world but to the end of the covenant between God and Israel. They believe this already occurred with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman army under Titus in 70 A.D. Others, including myself, believe we are living in the End Times, which will culminate in the Apocalypse, which actually means "lifting of the veil" or revelation.
My own reasons for believing we are living in the End Times are based on numerous factors, including the advent of weapons of mass destruction, the founding of Israel, the development of international mass media, the creation of bar codes and RFID chips, the founding of the European Union, and the rise of radical Islam. I won't take space to explain each of these further but invite readers to do their own research. These are my own interpretations, based on my knowldge of scripture, history, and current events, but many other interpretations are possible and also have support amongst Biblical scholars.
Signs of the end times are given us principally by Christ Jesus, the Prophet Daniel, and the Book of Revelation, generally attributed to the Apostle John. It is not for us to know the precise time, which will come like a "thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2). Not even Jesus knew the time but the Father only. (Matthew 24:36).
The Book of Revelation speaks of Seven Seals, Seven Trumpets, and Seven Vials -- I believe these are all signposts along a prophetic trail. I believe we are already well along this trail.
To enter into heaven, you must be born again. Those called of God will be born twice and die but once. Those who are not will be born once but die twice.
As with the children of Israel with Moses in the Land of Goshen at the time of the Plague of the First Born, the only sure salvation is to be covered in the Blood of the Lamb. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb. He is also the Tree of Life. He has paid the cost of our sins, through his death. Accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and let him live through your life, just as he has given you the promise of eternal life through his expiating death.
This will sound like foolishness to some. I know, as I once was as they are, blinded by my intellectual arrogance. Pride remains the foremost stumblingblock of man. We see ample evidence of it everyday in the comments posted on this website.
May God rebuke, correct, and forgive me for any error in this explanation.
Hehe. Do we really want to take strategic guidance on what should be Fiji's foreign affairs from Tui Viti, a man who thinks that the Russians defeated NATO decades before NATO ever even came into existence? Just sayin'.
@ Anon 8.08am the allies that collaborated with the US now form the caucus for NATO, but please dont get me wrong I have great respect for the US,they were our allies in WW2,Korea,Malaysia and Solomons so I respect them for that but I wanted to show a brief perspective of its involvment in most wars,its a champion of Democracy and World Peace literaly and verbally but its actions are comparitively directly oppossing its literal and verbal assurances reminds me of the Bible verse in Daniels ' ...the beast was like a lamb with two horns but speaks like a dragon...' this is the US in prophecy it will act like a lamb-Advocating Democracy,Freedom and Peace,but its Gov Policies[speaks like a dragon] have been WAR, its a huge list so a small list like Vietnam,Gulf WAR 1-2,Afghan,Iraq etc.
I concur with Anon:DEC 30 12:32am we must remain friends with all
@ Anon 7:59am Fijis Mission to the Unifil and the others, wasnt US Approved,its sanctioned by the UN. US has the same votes as other members of the UN Security Council which include China, Russia, England,France etc.
I think you need to look at the veto powers which the US has to stop further deployments. It sits on the Security Council and because of the Patriot Act it had stopped all new deployments since 2006 simply by ensuring that Fiji is not considered for any new missions. The US can do that and it has done it.
The change for deployments to the Golan and UNDOF came with US endorsement after the Obama administration changed its policy stance towards Fiji with the pivot policy signalled (and later announced) for the Asia Pacific region by Clinton circa 2011/ 2012.
There has been a doctrinal shift in Washington towards this region and to Fiji in particular.
Our problem has not been created by Washington, it was created by Canberra and specifically the pro right Think tanks affiliated with the CSIS and the Republicans in Washington who have continued with the Bush era policies for this region well after they have been proven defunct.
Canberra tapped into those fears and channelled Washington into them and in doing so created the problems for Fiji in that period 2007 to 2011 until the Obama administration began its own review starting in 2010 which has now led to the new changes we are now seeing.
My view is that its an area which only God knows, and that for us to try to forecast what it is or what it means is trying to see into the mind of God, which obviously no man can do as the Scriptures clearly state.
I find that the safest part of the Scripture to rely on are the Letters written by St Paul.
Those Letters are from his words directly and have not been rewritten from an oral tradition (except for the written translations from the Greek to the Latin and then to the English) and they were written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The Torah has gone through many revisions starting way back in Babylon when the Hebrews were in captivity.
Plus from the period after Nemaiah to the commencement of the Gospels its almost basically 500 years of silence.
That 500 years was a tumultuous period in Jewish history. The Macabee revolt, the rise of the Pharisee and Saudecee conflict. The emergence of the Idumaen Kingshipover Israel And obviously the final destruction of the temple at the hands of the Romans.
There is a school of thought in Jewish Orthodoxy today which believes that modern day Israel is against the Will of God and is not founded by God but by the Zionists who based their ideology on Hegel and Marx for the creation of the Zionist homeland in Palestine.
They believe that God will recreate a new Israel when the time is right and that when he creates that new Israel it will be one of peace and love because He is love.
The Zionist Israel of today is not a creation of God and they say that even the great Rabbi's such as Hilliel had forewarned them not to attempt to create a new State but that the Zionists have done so anyway.
I used to wonder why the Orthodox Jews all over the world have been protesting against the occupation of the Palestinian territories. In New York the Orthodox community there is one of the strongest opponents of that Israeli Government policy.
But its a difficulty with understanding Scripture and Prophecies and probably is one of the reasons why the Orthodox are at odds with the Israeli Government and are at the forefront of the protests against the Palestinian occupation.
And is just another difficulty with having attempts to look into the mind of God via these prophecies.
So you are saying that the Aussies are responsible for US veto on the Security Council Resolution -deployment of Fiji Soldiers on UN Peacekeeping Missions, okay so what has caused the shift in the stance taken by the US,
Allow me to answer that, the shift in US stance came about when Fiji befriended the other two permanent members of the Security Council China and Russia.
At any rate I believe that we should adopt a Policy of being friendly or friends with all 5 Permanent Members of the UN Security Council and enemy to none.
Vili Rakoro, you say I've been posting unproven allegations about the regime's human rights violations. What allegations and human rights violations are those? In other words, Vili, back up your own allegations with facts. Then we can examine them.
You say Bainimarama's regime has never been proved guilty of human rights violations. Neither was Adolf Hitler's, until after he already was dead and Germany in ruins.
If the regime is guilty of human rights violations, it isn't to be wondered at if those crimes have never been proven. You see, they must be genuinely investigated first, in order to be proven. This regime doesn't allow such investigations.
Mute? You find my argument mute, Vili? Am I not vocal enough for you, or is it that you're deaf? Would you like me to turn up the volume?
Or did you mean to say "moot"?
Mute is what people become when you wave a gun in front of them. Maybe that's what Ro Teimumu means when she refers to a "culture of silence". It's said that even law stands mute in the midst of guns, and the New Fiji seems to bear that out.
Moot, on the other hand, most often refers to an argument that's been rendered obsolete or irrelevant, such as the question of whether Fiji Sun editor Russell Hunter was asleep in his bed before he was frog-marched out of his home in the middle of the night, or whether one of Epeli Qaraniqio's feet was larger than the other before it had to be amputated after he was held by Bainimarama's goon squad.
You see, I never twist your words, Vili. That's because they're already twisted. All I do is untwist them. If after I've untwisted them, you still don't understand, perhaps that's because your thinking needs untwisting as well.
Take, for example, your statement that the government disbanded the GCC in order to preserve our tradition. In fact, it wasn't the government that disbanded the GCC but Bainimarama. In fact, the GCC was a constitutionally sanctioned institution, whilst Bainimarama was a usuper. In fact, the GCC was part of our tradition. So what you're saying, in effect, is that the regime abolished our tradition in order to preserve it.
Am I twisting your words? No, I'm just untwisting the meaning of your words.
You say that the chiefs have lost the ability to look after their people. I ask if it is any wonder since Bainimarama has worked systematically to strip them of that ability, even as he has tried to strip the people of the ability to look after themselves.
You say that your comments here consistently show how you look after people. On that score, I tend to agree with you. They consistently show how poorly you regard the people. They show the disdain with which you regard those who oppose the regime. They consistently show your reflex assumption that those who disagree with you are SODELPA supporters and, in your mind, therefore axiomatically racist. They consistently show how you care more about getting a Christmas bonus or a Pajero than about whether we get to genuinely choose our government or have a voice in defining our identity and traditions.
My proof is right here in your comments. You have been posting about allegations about the governments human rights violation without any solid evidence so when I asked you to prove it you try to twist it to say that I somehow must prove that the government didn't.
Are you for real. Do you not read and see how stupid your comments are. The fundamentals of legal practise is based on not guilty until proven otherwise. You're the one throwing accusations therefore the onus is on you to back up those allegations with solid facts.
And now you're comparing Hitler with Bainimarama. You really are a miserable con artists who knows absolutely nothing about the difference between absolute violence and assumed violence. Just because you assume someone is violent or abusive doesn't make it true. You can shout out loud as much as you want, post unnecessary bullshit to try and justify your pathetic rant but at the end of the day it means absolutely nothing if you cannot do the most basic elements of all which is provide conclusive evidence.
You're trying to claim that the Bainimarama governments stopped investigation. Yet more allegation because you don't have any facts to back up that wild accusations.
What's next are you going to claim now that Bainimarama government stopped investigation to investigate those who are meant to investigate those allegations.
If you wanna be taken seriously all you got to do is post concrete facts and wait for it to be scrutinised and if it passes the scrutiny then it becomes absolute facts which will then back up your allegations.
Simply saying stuff like investigation was stopped and Hitler wasn't investigated simply doesn't make your allegations true because there is still no substance to your allegations end of.
It's as simple as not guilty until proven conclusively to be otherwise.
Is that all you got, Vili? Mere is never gonna date you if you can't stimulate her intellectually.
You keep saying she's making wild allegations. She asked you to point them out. Can't you accommodate the lady? Especially since you're the one who keeps demanding evidence from everyone.
This government always claims it's investigating cases of buturakiyeut years later still has never gotten anywhere in those investigations. even though C4.5 was able to crack the case in days. So, she got you on that point, boy.
She also made a good point about Hitler, eh? The Allies alleged human rights violations against him, but the real proof didn't come until after his government was crushed. By then the idea of laying criminal charges against Hitler was moot. Get it now, moot?LOL.
But where did Mere compare Bainimarama with Hitler? She didn't. You did. Mere just used the case of Hitler to point out the absurdity of your pathetic argument. Now she's tricked YOU into being the one comparing Bainimarama to Hitler. LOL.
Better set your sights lower, bro. You're outta your league with this chick.
Mate in order to have an interesting intellectual debate we have to always point out our sources of research. Which takes us on a journey of differing views with differing evidence. All the while it's exciting because both side of the argument are debating using facts. So to simulate intellect you have to debate intellectually.
In my case and Mere she is throwing out allegations and I am demanding facts which makes our debate intellectually corrupt. If she was throwing her own facts to back up her claims and I am scrutinising those facts and vice versa then believe me that makes it interesting because we are on the same levels just different angles or sides.
The problem though is that we are not even on the same level. I am right up there with my persistence in evidence and she is down and dirty with her allegations. To be on the same level either she has to post conclusive facts or I start posting about human rights violation that was carried out during the 2000 coup that the Qarase government failed to fully investigate and brushed under the carpet.
The difference between me and Mere is that for me even though in my opinion I believe the Qarase government carried out the worst human rights violation of our country because it included the racist treatment of Fijian of Indian decent both physically during the 2000 coup and emotional through hate speeches and policies during Qarase's reign, I still regard it as pure speculation and allegations because I don't have conclusive proof to back up my opinions.
Mere on the other hand don't have a problem with posting her opinions which is her right obviously. However when I question her facts she tries to swerve because she is trying so hard to convince people that she is right regardless of lack of evidence. And I am insisting that if she posts facts then perhaps it will solidify her insistence. Because otherwise she is just another nutter spreading her bullshit opinions based on coconut wireless.
Mere's posts are articulate, understandable and very true. But Vili's are too long-winded accomplishing no truth and nothing at all.
Vili's supporters are saying that C4.5 blogsite should be closed but so many of the regime followers are also posting their obscenities here. If they open up their own site then no one would be complaining.
Anonymous 1:17 PM, I couldn't agree with you more.
Mere is clear and persuasive. What she says makes perfect sense. Vili, on the other hand, just spouts nonsense as though it were scientific fact. Mere answers Vili point by point, but Vili just pontificates and never really answers Mere's challenges.
I've also noticed that particularly since the arrival of Qorvis, we've seen a lot of trolls get on this site to abuse, threaten and provoke people. Isn't it enough that the regime (yes, REGIME, not government — this was an illegal election) controls all of the media in Fiji? Why can't the pro-regime treasonists get their own blogsite? That would clean up this blogsite immensely.
I'm frankly getting tired of these pro-regime trolls posting lies and obscenities on this website and then criticising the website for it. That isn't honest debate. It's just a lot of Rakoro-type ranting.
Obviously you two will agree with Mere because it enforces your hatred for the government. However that still doesn't make it valid nor true because articulate and understable does not make it a fact.
And let me remind you lot that these blog doesn't state that it's specifically for SODELPA. It's a blog for all Fijian so quit the pathetic rant.
The reasons I am asking for Mere to post evidence is because you just cannot go around accusing people or organisation of abuse without any shred of evidence.
Fiji’s Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama’s eight years in power have seen ongoing serious human rights violations fuel a climate of fear that must be brought to an end, Amnesty International said in a new briefing published ahead of the leader’s visit to New Zealand this week.
As Fiji prepares for parliamentary elections next month – the first in the eight years since Bainimarama took power in the 2006 military coup – Fiji: Play Fair, A human rights agenda documents the continued suppression of freedom of expression, violations of workers’ rights and use of torture by security forces, all of which the government must urgently address. “A combination of draconian laws, a pattern of intimidation and harassment of those who are critical of the government, as well as reports of torture by the security forces, have created a climate of fear in Fiji,” said Rupert Abbott, Amnesty International’s Deputy Asia-Pacific Director.
Despite Prime Minister Bainimarama’s commitments to create “a level playing field for all Fijians,” human rights defenders, journalists and trade union leaders continue to face harassment and intimidation for peacefully carrying out their legitimate work. The briefing documents the case of Kris Prasad, a peaceful activist for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) people. He was one of 12 people arrested in September 2013 for peacefully protesting against the new Constitution, which came into force that month.
In late April 2014, police again contacted Prasad and other activists, saying that they wanted to reopen the investigation and conduct further interviews – measures that Prasad describes as “tactics of intimidation”.
“Restrictions on freedom of expression, assembly and association in Fiji should be lifted and acts of intimidation and harassment against government critics and peaceful activists must stop," said Rupert Abbott.
The government continues to violate workers’ rights by banning strike action for many industries and by intimidating and harassing trade union officials. In another case highlighted in the human rights agenda, trade union leaders Felix Anthony and Daniel Urai have been arrested and charged with multiple criminal offences over the past two years, including the more serious charges of sedition, for peacefully advocating for workers’ rights.
Compounding the climate of fear are repeated reports of Fijian security forces using torture and other ill-treatment against people in custody. Perpetrators of these and other human rights violations enjoy impunity, with broad amnesties entrenched in the new Constitution.
In a video that surfaced online in March last year, security forces can be seen assaulting a recaptured prisoner. In the disturbing film, Iowene Bendito was repeatedly hit with sticks and batons, while another man was dragged along the ground by a dog. Following the release of the video, Bainimarama reportedly said he would “stand by his men”. "Torture and ill treatment by security forces must be stopped and those responsible for such crimes held to account," said Rupert Abbott. “It is not enough to say the right things when abroad while allowing the repression to continue at home. Prime Minister Bainimarama and his government should act now to end the climate of fear.”
As Fiji’s teams return from the Commonwealth Games, and as the country prepares for elections in September, Amnesty International is calling on the Fijian government to play fair and respect human rights. The organization is also calling on political parties and candidates to publicly commit to ensuring that international human rights laws and standards are protected. Fiji’s current government must commit to respecting human rights in the lead up to elections, including by lifting restrictions on freedom of expression, peaceful assembly and association and refraining from harassment of political candidates, journalists and others.
Vili, which of the following statements from the U.S. Department of State's Annual Human Rights Report is/are untrue?
April 8, 2011
Fiji, with a population of approximately 837,000, is a republic under a 1997 constitution that provided for a ceremonial president selected by the Great Council of Chiefs and an elected prime minister and Parliament. However, in April 2009 the interim government headed by armed forces commander Commodore Josaia Voreqe (Frank) Bainimarama abrogated the constitution, imposed a state of emergency, and continued its rule by decree, a situation that remained at year's end. The abrogation followed a bloodless coup d'etat in late 2006 in which Bainamarama overthrew the elected government and dissolved Parliament. In 2007 the interim military government was replaced by a nominally civilian interim government headed by Bainimarama as prime minister. Public Emergency Regulations (PER) promulgated in April 2009 remained in effect at year's end. Security forces did not report to civilian authorities.
The government denied citizens the right to change their government peacefully. The government dismissed the entire judiciary in 2009 and replaced it with its own appointees. In July the government implemented a media decree that continued censorship and intimidation of the media. Other continuing human rights problems included police and military impunity, poor prison conditions, restrictions on freedom of speech and peaceful assembly, prosecution and deportation of regime critics and human rights activists, attacks against religious facilities, the dismissal of constitutionally appointed government officials, government corruption, deep ethnic division, violence and discrimination against women, and sexual exploitation of children.
You just cannot go around accusing people or an organisation of abuse without any shred of evidence.
From Wikipedia:
The Universal Periodic Review, which is a progress which involves a review of the human rights records of the Member States of the UN, by the Human Rights Council, every four years, reviewed the human rights situation in Fiji in August 2009.
Fiji’s September 17 elections, the first in nearly eight years, resulted in the election of the Fiji First party, headed by former coup leader and military strongman Voreqe Bainimarama. Human Rights Watch, in a submission to the council, called on the government of Fiji to guarantee protection of human rights defenders, respect freedom of expression, order investigations into allegations of security forces abuses, and commit to reforming the judiciary.
“The UPR review in Geneva is a unique occasion to test whether the new Fiji government can seriously address its human rights problems,” said Phil Robertson,deputy Asia director. “But it is worrisome Prime Minister Bainimarama’s government apparently lacks any policy to either ensure accountability for past rights abuses or to take on real rights reforms.”
For example, the Fiji government took no action when a video surfaced in March 2013 depicting what appears to be Fijian soldiers torturing and beating two men. When asked whether there would be an investigation, then-Commodore Bainimarama responded that he would stick by his men and officials implicated in the incident.
“Failure to investigate torture by Fijian soldiers that was caught on film raises red flags about a culture of impunity for security forces in Fiji,” Robertson said. “UN member states should push the new government to order an independent investigation into all allegations of torture and ill-treatment.”
Human Rights Watch urged member states to make concrete, time-bound recommendations to the government of Fiji to respect basic civil and political rights. The Human Rights Watch submission noted that the government of Fiji has imposed severe restrictions on freedom of expression and association. During the first review, Fiji promised to “abolish any policy or decree that restricts the freedom of the media or the rights of freedom of association and movement.” Yet the 2010 Media Decree remains in place, a law that prohibits any publication that is perceived to go “against public interest or order.”
Human Rights Watch noted that despite lifting the highly restrictive Public Emergency Regulations bill in January 2012, Fiji military and police continued to arrest and detain those perceived as critical of the administration, particularly during public protests.
Human Rights Watch pointed out the previous government of Fiji had failed to uphold the rule of law and continually encroached on the independence of the judiciary. The courts have used broadly defined contempt provisions to limit freedom of expression and silence the media. A petition filed by William Marshall, a former Fiji Appeal Court judge, claimed interference with the justice system by Attorney General Sayed-Khaiyum. Fiji’s four major opposition parties have requested further investigation into Marshall’s petition.
Respect for workers’ rights continued to deteriorate since Fiji’s last UPR review. In September 2012, then-Commodore Bainimarama expelled an International Labour Organisation (ILO) delegation from Fiji that was trying to investigate serious violations of worker’s rights. Only in June 2014, when the ILO threatened to establish a commission of inquiry on Fiji if the ILO direct contacts mission was not admitted to the country before November did Fiji relent. An ILO mission visited the country in early October 2014.
Human Rights Watch also called on UN member states to encourage the government of Fiji to issue an open invitation to all Special Procedures of the UN Human Rights Council, and swiftly facilitate the visits of Special Procedures who have requested access.
“The UPR review is an important opportunity for Prime Minister Bainimarama and his government to prove they are serious about moving towards real democratic reform,” Robertson said. “Authorities in Fiji should understand that without the realization of fundamental rights, there will be no truly democratic transition in the country.”
Next the morons will be talking unfair media restrictions but can anyone see anything these moaners write here that could actually be put in the mainstream media...............
I wonder how many letters to the editor KNR has put forward to the dailies?
It takes a special kind of person to dismiss international human rights reports as "bleating" and to defend the way Leters to the Editors don't get published for fear of antagonising the government. That special kind of person is commonly known as a fascist.
"you just cannot go on accusing people or organization of abuse without any shred of evidence."
I was wondering why Rakoro has not responded to the evidences provided to the public and the world by the UN Human Rights Commission and the Wikipedia which have followed his false accusations on this thread.
So Rakoro, this is why people have put your credibility in question. It is why people are disbelieving you in increasing numbers. If you want more people on your side of the alley and if you want to win a fair and credible election next time, you need to tell us the truth.
In the next elections, if you want to win it fairly and squarely, you need to make up for all the lies that your Bainimarama and Khaiyum have perpetrated. There are too many of them (lies} to fill up this whole page, and they will come back at them and you.
I suppose if Fiji was utopia some may possibly take note of the human rights whines a few have but's let's think reality.
Fiji is a third world country, a very high percentage of it's people are uneducated. It has a culture of it's peoples rights being trodden on by it's cultural hierarchical system and it's religious institutions.
Once it evolves, which will take a few more generations others may take note.
Until then, the rest of the world could not care less about your petty moans, all they see is a society that deserves and needs what it's got.
Papua New Guinea police and army involved in shootout at lock-up
By PNG correspondent Liam Cochrane
Updated 8 Dec 2014, 11:26amMon 8 Dec 2014, 11:26am
Map: Papua New Guinea
Papua New Guinea's police and army have formed a joint taskforce to investigate a shootout between the two forces that left four men in hospital with gunshot wounds.
Businesses located near the confrontation closed their doors and there were reports of looting following the clash.
"After last night's stand off, culminating from a drunken brawl between our soldiers and policemen ... senior officers from both the defence force and the constabulary have now formed a taskforce to investigate," deputy police commissioner Jim Andrews said.
"I appeal to all members of the constabulary to refrain from provoking or inciting further violence with our counterparts from the Papua New Guinea Defence Force (PNGDF)."
The altercation began in the early hours of Saturday morning in the Port Moresby suburb of Boroko.
Police say a group of soldiers were drunk and disorderly on the street in front of a nightclub.
They arrested several soldiers and locked them up at the nearby Boroko police station.
A short time later, a group of soldiers arrived at the police station and managed to free three soldiers from the cells.
"Soldiers and policemen were embroiled in a violent confrontation and several gunshots were discharged," deputy commissioner Andrews said.
Four soldiers were hospitalised with gunshot injuries.
At the weekend, the police and army set up separate roadblocks in the area surrounding Boroko police station and the army's Murray Barracks.
Police say the situation is under control and senior officers of both forces held a joint press conference on Saturday.
"We don't want to speculate [on] anything as yet," colonel Vagi Oala, acting PNGDF chief of staff, said.
He said a preliminary report about the incident is expected by Tuesday.
"Appropriate disciplinary actions will be taken against any member of these two disciplinary forces who are found to have broken the law," deputy commissioner Andrews said.
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) have more than 70 officers in PNG advising the Royal Papua New Guinea Constabulary.
"We remain vigilant about the safety and security of our officers and we are assessing the situation as it unfolds," Assistant Commissioner Alan Scott, who leads the AFP advisory deployment, said.
Australia Defence Force mentors support PNG army expansion
Thirteen members of the Australian Defence Force’s 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, have been deployed to Port Moresby as a Mentoring Training Team to support the Papua New Guinea Defence Force (PNGDF) to conduct its second Basic Recruit Course for this year.
Head of Australian Defence Staff in PNG, Colonel Dick Parker, said the mentoring through the Defence Cooperation Program directly supports PNGDF Commander Brigadier General Gilbert Toropo’s intent for a more professional and capable defence force.
“The relationship developed between Australian and PNG personnel allows for exchange of ideas and experiences, leading to mutual learning and the development of strong and lasting relationships,” Col Parker said.
Former PNGDF commander partly blames Australia for ill-discipline
Updated 19 July 2013, 10:53 AEST
Former commanders of the Papua New Guinea Defence Force have condemned recent assaults by soldiers against students in Port Moresby.
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Former PNGDF commander partly blames Australia for ill-discipline (Credit: ABC) .
Their organisation, the PNG Flag Officers League, has called for those responsible to face criminal charges and court martials.
At the weekend a group of more than 30 soldiers armed with bush knives, iron bars and firearms attacked students at the University of Papua New Guinea Medical School.. with one student seriously injured.
Spokesman, General Jerry Singirok says part of the problem is that the Australian government didn't keep earlier promises to help retrench unneeded soldiers.
Presenter:Bruce Hill
Speaker: General Jerry Singirok, a former PNGDF Commander
SINGIROK: I speak on behalf of former commanders of the Papua New Guinea Defence Force who formed an association called PNG Flag Officers League, basically to assist in attempting to resolve some inherent problems with the PNGDF and also avail ourselves so that we can participate in the development of a new look defence force for the next generations. On behalf of the association I released a press statement to condemn in the strictest terms that the actions by a few members of the regiment of the First Royal Pacific Islands Regiment is barbaric and warrants a criminal proceedings, including a court martial for those rogue soldiers who decided to do what they did. It does not reflect an image of a defence force at all, and so we've condemned and we've asked the commander and the minister and the Secretary for Defence to immediately discipline, and if necessary lay criminal charges against the soldiers, and to deal with the issues forthwith.
HILL: The army is supposed to the state's primary disciplined force, clearly that act a few days ago was not a disciplined act. Why is this ill-discipline actually there in the first place?
SINGIROK: Well there's no hope for a country to develop its security mechanism if there's no discipline, which is a prerequisite for a disciplined force. We are already trying to analyse and underpin some of the causes of why the acts of indiscipline, and we've concluded that the main reason why soldiers are doing what they're doing is because this government and successive governments, including the Australian government has not fulfilled a promise to retrench soldiers since 1999.
HILL: The Australian government actually did promise to help fund this project didn't they? They were going to get rid of some of the older soldiers, soldiers that weren't needed, send them back to their villages. Are you saying that the Australian government didn't follow through on that promise?
SINGIROK: Yes the Australian government is as libel as successive PNG governments because they made a statement, they committed, the Australian government in participating and assisting financially including provisions of transport and logistics to repatriate soldiers based on the eminent persons groups report, which one of the former governor generals was involved, Major General Mike Jeffries. That report recommended a downsize in the defence force, and it was funded by the Australian government, and sadly the Australian government has not fully implemented that report. So the problems of retrenchment and redundant soldiers started way back in 1999 immediately after I was removed as commander.
Former PNG army chief says police shootout 'unsurprising'
Updated 8 December 2014, 17:56 AEDT
The former commander of Papua New Guinea's defence force says he's not surprised by the shootout between soldiers and police officers in Port Moresby over the weekend.
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Former PNG army chief says police shootout 'unsurprising' (Credit: ABC) .
The shootout occured after a group of soldiers freed three colleagues from the Boroko police station early on Saturday morning after they'd been arrested for being drunk and disorderly.
Four soldiers were hospitalised with gunshot injuries while opportunists took advantage of the altercation to loot nearby businesses.
Major General Jerry Singarok says poor discipline is a major problem and rogue officers should be subject to criminal sanctions.
Minister for Defence – 2014 Australia-Papua New Guinea Defence Ministers’ meeting
15 December 2014
Minister for Defence David Johnston, today met with his Papua New Guinea counterpart, Dr Fabian Pok, for the second annual Australia-Papua New Guinea Defence Ministers’ Meeting.
“Dr Pok and I had wide ranging discussions on how Australia and Papua New Guinea can continue to strengthen our longstanding defence relationship, in order to advance our mutual security interests,” Senator Johnston said.
High on the agenda for the meeting were Australia and Papua New Guinea’s shared maritime security interests and priorities for defence cooperation in the year ahead.
“With an annual budget of $25 million, the Defence Cooperation Program with Papua New Guinea is Australia’s largest, underscoring the importance Australia places on our bilateral defence relationship,” he said.
“Consistent with the principles outlined in the 2013 Defence Cooperation Arrangement, Australia and Papua New Guinea work together as partners to support the development of a professional and capable Papua New Guinea Defence Force and Department of Defence.”
In the six years of the Bougainville war, the Australian government has directly invested over $200 million into the Papua New Guinea Defence Force (PNGDF). According to Department of Defence information, around 100 Australian military personnel train or serve with the PNGDF each year.
Unofficial sources hint that the figure is considerably larger — particularly with regard to Australia's involvement along the Irian Jaya frontier, which seems to be considered as Australia's unofficial land border with Indonesia. Australian advisers train PNG soldiers in Port Moresby, teach specialist troops, introduce new equipment and training techniques and act as consultants to the PNG government.
PNGDF personnel also receive specialist training in Australia — signals at Watsonia; junior officers at Duntroon; senior officers at Queenscliff; pilots at RAAF Point Cook and Oakey in Queensland; naval officers at Launceston, Fremantle and HMAS Cerberus at Western Port Bay, where PNGDF officers are currently being trained in communications and gunnery. In short, training supplied by Australia has been absolutely central to the continuation of the Bougainville war.
The clearest example comes from 1991, the low point of the war for Papua New Guinea. Its security force abandoned Bougainville in 1990. Over the next two years, Australia trained more than 400 PNG soldiers in jungle warfare at the Canungra Warfare Centre behind the Gold Coast. The Australian government pumped $52 million into PNG's army in 1991 alone. The soldiers trained in Queensland then almost certainly participated in the invasion of Bougainville at the end of that year.
On Bougainville itself, RAAF personnel advise their PNG partners on establishing, maintaining and using the helicopters and Nomad fixed-wing aircraft that Australia has supplied. The Australian government also bankrolled the mercenaries who flew the choppers and Nomads until PNG pilots could be fully trained.
Australian navy advisers perform a similar service for the four Pacific class patrol boats that Australia gave to PNG. It is also known that two Australian "engineering" teams have been on Bougainville for at least a year. The Bougainville Revolutionary Army (BRA) has encountered these fully armed "engineers" patrolling the jungles.
Virtually all PNGDF equipment comes from Australia. The design for their camouflage jackets is produced here; the rifles, machine guns, and mortars they use are of Australian manufacture; most of their rifle ammunition was produced at the Australian Defence Industries' old factory in Footscray, and mortar bombs at the St Mary's factory in Sydney. A "Supply Support Agreement" signed by PNG and Australia allows the PNGDF to treat Australian military depots like supermarkets. Australian arms manufacturers were not slow to become involved either, supplying a wide range of supplementary equipment.
Australia is up to its neck in the war. It did everything it could, short of sending in battalions of its own troops, to perpetuate the conflict with the hope of some sort of PNG military victory. Not surprising then, is the extreme hostility of the Bougainville people to Australian involvement in the peacekeeping force. Many Bougainvilleans have had members of their families and their friends killed by Australian-made weapons, carried by Australian-trained hands, in what is an Australian-inspired war.
The recent peace process was the third time talks have been held during this war. Belligerent militarism scuttled both the previous attempts to end the war. However, PNG now faces a severe financial crisis. The new prime minister, Julius Chan, is a child of the world economy. In purely financial terms, he sees the war as losing PNG millions of kina and producing no revenue whatsoever.
PORT MORESBY, Papua New Guinea -- The British soldier who led 70 African mercenaries into Papua New Guinea said Wednesday that rebel army chief Jerry Singirok was in on the mercenary plan from the start and negotiated its details.
Retired colonel Tim Spicer told a public inquiry in the Papua New Guinea capital that Singirok -- who later led opposition to the mercenaries -- attended a meeting in Australia almost a year ago when the $36 million mercenary contract was first discussed.
"Singirok has been very much aware of the details of the proposal, the contract and the total operations," Spicer said.
Singirok was sacked last month after he sparked a political crisis in the South Pacific nation by demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Sir Julius Chan over plans to use the mercenaries to crush an uprising on Bougainville island.
Singirok argued that an assault on the copper-rich island would cause unnecessary civilian deaths and ruin the chances of a peaceful resolution of the nine-year conflict.
He also alleged that the deal was mired in corruption -- a charge that Spicer rejected at the inquiry.
First he dismisses allegations of human rights as unproven. Confronted by the facts, he now changes his tune, saying that Fijians don't deserve human rights, and calling the defenders of human rights "whiners". That this is a person of low character is self-evident.
Yes, a dissembler of the first order. Probably studied under Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum.
Sounds like the PNGDF have stolen a page from the RFMF. Ill-disciplined soldiers bullying police who are just trying to do their jobs, then accusing the police of provocations. I hope the PNG government can get a handle on this whilst it still has a government, so the PNG doesn't end up a military dictatorship like Fiji.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 345 of 345@ anon 8:37 thats why Nadroga/Navosa & Ra have opted to be independent from Fiji & right now they seeking the blessing of the Queen.They have actually elected their own ministers.
It all got to do with Bainimarama bullshit crap & numerous military coup ruining the country. Enough is enough.
@Anonymous 8:37 PM
Now that's interesting "We All Know".
I would suggest you know very little and are rather presumptuous to assume you speak for others.
From what you suggest the vast majority that support the man would be absolutely foolish to do so.
Do you think they are all that foolish?
Seems to me you have a rather high opinion of yourself but what would we expect from some dreamer.
You diatribe is as tangible as the religious fairy tale references made here. Dream on.
@ANON 5:43...Ask Vili Rakoro,he said that he was one of them.What a low life,calling us people racist that did nothing at all to the Indians.Vili was a member of the Qarase government,he was with Speight,and he was one that threw stone's at the Indian houses,stole from their property,and now he tried to justify himself to be a changed man.This man is a traitor,and would jump again,when the going get's tough.
Bainimarama came to the countries rescue in 2000 when people like Kepa supported it. We all know the 2000 coup was an attempt by corrupts chiefs and I Taukei elites whom hoodwinked the nation especially the I Taukei's claiming indigenous sovereignty.
Bainimarama managed to defeat them and installed Qarase as interim PM. As it turns out Qarase was as corrupt too and was friends with most of those who supported the 2000 coup.
And now after Bainimarama had successfully build a better Fiji with a democracy that suits us all these 2000 coup supporters most of whom are with SODELPA are coming out claiming Bainimarama planned the 2000 coup and every other conspiracy theory.
The 2006 coup was something that needed to be done. Obviously we would have preferred a democratic solution however those previous leaders who claim to serve the nation and democracy were a bunch of self serving lying piece of shit.
Qarase is now living it up in the USA. Most of the 2000 coup instigators are now in Australia and New Zealand. And all their friends and families are all posting anonymously here in these blog talking shit and defending their treasonous relatives.
Us the new Fiji are glad we now have a government that actually treats everyone family and properly. All those who are claiming all sorts of hideous allegations are part of the past and history will remember you for the unfair treatment you dished out to us for decades. We are the new modern Fiji and we have learned from putting our faith in the wrong group of self serving people.
As we approach 2015 we are happy in the knowledge that we are being led by the best government Fiji has ever produced. And to the 2000 coup supporters, instigators, Qarase and SODELPA thank you for making us strive to be better. Your deceits and corrupt ways pushed us to strive for a better Fiji and finally we are on that journey of enlightenment.
Anonymous 8.45 pm
Stop lying mann. Majority of people from Nadroga, Navosa and Ra voted for Fiji First.
Nayacakalou
Are you not embarrassed about following me around in every thread and repeating the same bullshit. Do you think it's going to have a different outcome everytime you do it.
Are you not embarrassed about what you did to your ex wife whom you cheated on and then left for a Aussie gal. You're an untrustworthy person whom fits perfectly in Kepa's company. Birds of the same feather or words to that effect ey.
What a looser hahahaha
Yuck! More effluence from the Vili Rakoro. Like the breath of Graham Davis. Will the stench never end?
CRUDE PROPAGANDA, of course, it's easy for you to question my bonafides as an international observer, considering I didn't (and won't) identify myself or my government, and my statement contradicts official statements. And I'd expect no less from someone who is likely a paid propagandist for the military regime. But I was indeed an international observer in Fiji, and one with certainly more Fiji experience than most of the others.
Many of us were quite convinced the elections were stolen, but in the absence of a vocal and visible opposition movement giving widespread and incontrovertible evidence of election fraud, what were we to do but bow to the inevitable? We have no interest in inciting possible civil war or completely rupturing already strained relations, to the prejudice of our own citizens and foreign policy aims, in order to protest something that we cannot change, on behalf of a people who won't stand up for their own rights.
Neither was it clear that Fijian democracy would be all that further advanced had SODELPA won. Ro Teimumu is a sympathetic character, but many of the interests she seemed to champion were not just democracy and the rule of law, but those related to chiefly privilege and the forces of reaction.
The signs of a rigged election were legion, but none of them was a smoking gun or compelling enough to deny us the ability, which we so earnestly sought, to declare with plausibility, and eyes wide shut, Fiji's "return" to "democracy." The international community first signalled its willingness to participate in Bainimarama's fraud, innocuously enough, by announcing its willingness to send observers. As a fundamental proposition, after all, an illegal regime cannot legally impose a constitution or organize a lawful election, but that is precisely what the regime purported to do. By sending observers, the international community tacitly went along with the pretense.
Before you condemn us, understand that the opposition, too, tacitly accepted Bainimarama's fraudulent conditions by contesting the elections upon such a basis, despite the fact that the regime was acting unilaterally and without reference to Fiji's last legal constitution and established election rules.
Regime apologists can go on crowing that their opinions represent Fiji's majority, but the sad reality is that whether they do or not was never fairly decided. Pointing to the "legitimacy" conferred by the international community, acting in its members' own self-interests, is a poor substitute for genuinely free and fair elections.
Anonymous 5.18 am
Wow is this what you lot have been reduced to ey. Claiming to be an international observer without clarifying who you are. Do you honestly think anyone will believe you especially when you're obviously stating the same line of bullshit we've become acustomed to from SODELPA and it's supporters.
Have you forgotten how the lowly institute polls carried out by an independent Australian firm in Fiji resulted in similar votes that the election produced for Bainimarama.
What a really laughable attempt but only succeed in showing the same old pathetic opinions of the racism SODELPA.
Vili Rakobo....sa rauta mada na lasu....keimami kila ni qai yaco na vuaviri 1987, iko se tiko na boci ni tamamu.(still a sperm in daddy's ballbags).During the height of 2000 coup upheavel, as a kid growing up in Muaniweni, throwing stones on Indian houses, as earlier stated by you.
o si via kila kece ga na ka...humble yourself tamana....God hate's proud people.Qarauna, o na kune ga qo o sa na mate.
@ 8.47am
Well, definitely wasnt speaking on your behalf. And we definitely know your not on our side lady jane , so what's your problem? Keep to your territory and take the beating when it comes then.
Truth just hurts a little doesnt it or maybe too much?
Again, too bad for you. Try taking a picnic today, might suit you better.
@8.47PM
TRY AGAIN...
Well, definitely wasnt speaking on your behalf. And we definitely know your not on our side lady jane , so what's your problem? Keep to your territory and take the beating when it comes then.
Truth just hurts a little doesnt it or maybe too much?
Again, too bad for you. Try taking a picnic today, might suit you better.
@ 5.36am
Vili, I think you were just given a mouthful by that brilliant International Observer aye? Poor you!!
Same thing I told you yesterday, we arent stupid you know. These Observers had been given their instructions prior and all that was required was for Fiji to be called a democracy and that was it - the elections were 100% rigged and we all knew that, maybe except for you and the rest??? But are we surprised you're not aware of this? No, not at all because you think you have done your research and so you're full of facts and worst of all because you are thoroughly brainwashed, hello, you've missed out on so much!! We enjoy listening to what you think you know because its rather amusing. But then you've got to take time to listen to us give you a run down of how silly you can be and at least learn something...learn some truth aye?
Like you said, you didnt see anything in the Auditor General's report that showed that the Qatari Government had paid the $20M to the military??? See, you are quite hilarious!! And you still believe that people like myself and now Nayacakalou just cant help but follow you around? Now Im bawling with laughter. How about take a break from your rantings and learn to listen to good instruction??
Hahahahahahahahaha ...you just made my morning, thank you!
7.14am IS MEREONI!!!!
So these SODELPA supporters are claiming that the election was rigged even after the international observers dismissed the allegations.
As they claimed the international observers were given an order for Fiji to be democratic so they followed it 100 percent without any questions whatsoever.
Australia and New Zealand governments have been the most vocal against Bainimarama and their election observers whom they sent were ordered to keep their mouth shut. So after years of vocal protests against the Bainimarama government all of a sudden the Australian and New Zealand governments changed their tunes.
And on top of that the lowly institute had done a poll in Fiji and the results was similar to the election.
When SODELPA first found out about what they claimed to be election ballot boxes rather then going straight to the international observers they waited until the pre counting of the results was done where they were sure they wouldn't win then they said something.
And instead of reporting it to the election committe for the attention of the international observers they held a press conference and told the media. They themselves didn't even followed protocols.
And so two days later in front of the media they claimed election rigging. And the international observers did an investigation and found the ballot boxes to be the registration papers so they dismissed the claims.
And here the SODELPA supporters are using that one event to base their allegations from. Absolute frustration and jealousy that even indirectly accused the Australian and New Zealand governments of bowing to the Bainimarama governments, something they've both shown since 2006 that they didn't and wouldn't do.
The problem with Vili is that he cant read between the lines.
I'm almost tempted to say that he is probably incapable of it.
I've followed his rantings and its obvious that he is a BRAINLESS PARROT.
Whatever Kaiyum says , vili comes and parrots it over here.
He has an inability to think outside the box.
Just like Bainimarama.
Bainimarama is another PARROT.
Whatever Kaiyum tells him, he PARROTS it too.
He's a BRAINLESS PARROT, just like Vili.
@ Anon 2.38pm 27/12/14, your post shows that you must be a church pastor so i will respect you for that, I am not worried about the branch nor the roots,I am more concerned about being connected to the Tree [Jesus] for He said that He is the vine tree and we are the branches.
O Jese Sikivou me sa sack,that lady who was there before him was doing a better job.
But i am Fiji First so i dont care much anyways.
I think Vili is soldier or ex soldier.
ie they cant think for themselves.
Whatever the boss says they say it.
Boss says "Dig a hole here". They dig it.
5 minutes later boss says "Cover the hole" , they cover it.
Unthinking brainless idiots.
Vili Rakoro is like that!
Next time he writes something, you read it and SEE WHAT THE PARROT HAS TO SAY.
Cant think for himself the firkin dickhead.
He is probably high on that shit flowing from 4 miles. I wasn't talking about the pipe either; lol.
Figure that one out dickhead!
I think Vili is soldier or ex soldier.
ie they cant think for themselves.
Whatever the boss says they say it.
Boss says "Dig a hole here". They dig it.
5 minutes later boss says "Cover the hole" , they cover it.
Unthinking brainless idiots.
Vili Rakoro is like that!
Next time he writes something, you read it and SEE WHAT THE PARROT HAS TO SAY.
Cant think for himself the firkin dickhead.
He is probably high on that shit flowing from 4 miles. I wasn't talking about the pipe either; lol.
Figure that one out dickhead!
@Tui Sona 9:33
Right now you shouldn't be worried about Jesus. You should look at the shitty tree you are already CONnected to ie Bainisona.
The problem with people like you WHO HAVE COVERED THEIR EYES, is that they cant see the fruit; so they cant tell what tree they are attached to.
My assessment is that YOU ARE A DOGO BRANCH, growing by the banks of the Wainivula river and happily enjoying the fertilizer.
We can see it in your leaves.
lol.
Drunk Fiji PM buy drinks for all at Trapps Nite Club and leaves around 6am!! Never heard of such infantile behavior from a Fiji PM. Just confirms that decency and integrity in PM's office has gone to the dogs in Bainimarama's Fiji.
Vili Rakoro's bleats sound more and more pathetic. He kept pointing to the international observers as proof Bainimarama won the election fairly, but now that an international observer speaks out with contrary views, Rakoro dismisses them as the "same line of bullshit" he's accustomed to hearing from SODELPA supporters.
Oh, really? Does Rakoro often hear SODELPA supporters question how much more Fijian democracy would have been advanced under Ro Teimumu, or equate her with the interests of chiefly privilege and the forces of reaction?
Funny, too, how Rakoro and the regime now turn to Canberra and Wellington to validate their phony election.
@ 9.33AM
Romans 11.8
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in...
Yes indeed Tui. Jesus is the Tree of Life..He is the Vine and we are the branches. IF you were attached to the Vine, you'd be very wary of how you view or regard the branches.
John 15
“Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. 7 But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! 8 When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father.
Crying again? Sure, the elections were rigged. So what? I told you we would rape you in the elections, and we did. There was nothing you could do about it then, and nothing you can do about it now. We have the power to hold your fear in our hands and to show it to you. That's power! You can do nothing.
Canberra and Wellington have been bowing down to Bainimarama for years. In their last ministerial visits, Bishop and McCully were so obsequious as to be almost embarassing. Bainimarama has them just where he wanted them. It's hilarious that even the international observers knew the elections were rigged but couldn't/wouldn't do bollocks.
We're now the "elected government". Don't you see the humour in that? The more you whinge, the harder I laugh. Bwahahaha!
Victor lal of Fijileaks has exposed sex scandal cover at FNU by sacked VC Ganesh Chand and his former sidekick, now wducation minister Dr Mahendra Reddy.
At least we at UniFiji took action against former VC, Dr Mahendra Kumar, when he was found pants down with a girl in his office. He was sacked and became known as Professor of Kamasutra thereafter.
It seems that Dr mahendra kumar, son-in-law of Davendra Pathik, might have a rival for that title - none other than his mate and namesake, Dr Mahendra Reddy!
The Vili Rakoro is still spewing nonsense, I see. He repeatedly references the Lowly Institute. Is that like Australia's Lowy Institute, only lower?
Wasn't it the Lowy Institute that earlier published a poll showing that Qarase would beat Bainimarama in an election? Of course, that was before the regime barred Qarase from contesting the elections.
What I don't understand is why, if the elections were free and fair, and the regime is really so popular, then how come Coup 4.5, an opposition website, remains so popular that regime supporters feel the need to post their comments here, instead of on a pro-regime website? If the regime is so wildly popular, then why is it that pro-regime websites can't even sustain readership?
NTEB NEWS DESK 27.12.14
THE WAR AGAINST ISIS IS TAKING A DANGEROUS, PERHAPS INEVITABLE TURN TOWARDS ISRAEL
“They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.” Psalm 83:4
The terror organization has been keen to expand to southern Syria and the Syrian capital of Damascus. Now it says it has recruited three Syrian rebel groups operating in the south of the country in an area bordering the Israeli occupied Golan Heights — that have switched their loyalties to ISIS.
This switch means that Israel, the U.S.’s closest ally in the Middle East, could be threatened from the southwest by the Egyptian ISIS group of Ansar Bait al-Maqdis in Sinai and by ISIS in southern Syria.
@12.57pm
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE ILLEGAL AND CORRUPT!
WHAT'S THERE TO LAUGH ABOUT DONKEY?
BOW YOUR HEAD IN SHAME, THAT'S WHAT YOU MORONS SHOULD BE DOING!!
@ Vili Rakoro...qarauna na gusumu...na veika au vola baleti iko,e ka kece o cavuta mai gusumu.Na veika o nanuma tiko baleti au,e ka lasu kece,ka rui ka vakaloloma mo nanuma,ka beitaka e dua na tamata e wele tu,ka sega mada ga ni kilai iko.Au sega ni tiko e Australia,au volavola tiko,ena office kei iko,ka kilai iko vinaka,ia mo veiraiyaki tiko.O raica e levu vei keimami,e sega ni volavola ka keimami wilika tiko ka qoroya na levu ni,lialia,dokadoka,kei na lasulasu,e tiko vi koko.Vili e vaka cava ke o dina,niu biuta laivi na watiqu kai Viti,ka vakawati tamata Vulavvula,e cava au racist?E tu na vuna era biu kina,de rau sega ni vinaka vei au na nona qase,de a lasa ga e tuba,ka sega ni kila na kena dina,ka rawarawa ga mo beitaka na tagane.Na nomu vosa o tukuna toka e cake na nomu source (fact's),io kudrau,drau ma caite ga nomudrau source.
@Anonymous 1:12 PM
It depends what you consider popular?
How many different people actually contribute to this site? And do you count the copy and paste mob?
Most of the pro government contributors no doubt look in for the entertainment factor.
Look on any site on the web and you will find more moaners than supporters of anything, it's human nature.
Think to yourself why the abundance of religious freaks posting their regurgitated references to their fictitious novel. Yes, the nutters have found a place to play and sell their product.
Ro Feka should be the fijian person for the year.
Is Ganesh Chand sacked as Vice Chancellor of FNU? I think the indo Fijians are worst with corruption and nepotism. None of them should be in top positions.
For the amount of crap Vili Rakoro know's,he should be given the post.
Vale ni da post e ganiti koya Nayacakalou.koya tamata vinaka me lauvacu tu ga vei siga na gusuna.
Ah look, two more of the nutters now creep out of the woodwork...........
The fake Kua Ni Rere and then Kamlesh Kumar with another rant due to her personal grudge against FNU.
Then pops up nayacakalou with yet another of his constructive comments for those that appreciate verbal diorea.
So Anonymous @ 1:12 PM is this your idea of something that is popular or does your idea of 'popularity' encompass useful?
But I will agree it's popular with the like of those mentioned above.
@Kamlesh Kumar Dr Ganesh Chand sacking, yes he has been kicked out for gross incompetence, nepotism and ill-treatment of staff.
His one-time side-kick Dr mahendra reddy knifed him. Reddy bedded his tax driver friend's wife, then gave her tea lady job at commerce commission to hush the affair, and gave husband driver job at FNU.
mahen reddy is challenging namesake and another over-sexed academic, Dr mahen Kumar, for title of Professor of Kamasutra.
But it will be a tough battle of the giants as Dr mahendra kumar is a very strong champion and title holder who sacked as UniFiji VC after caught mounting a girl in his VC's office.
@ 1.32pm
Hey, you ever consider what you look like to us in all reality?
You are nothing but an atheist or you do have some connection to Islam? Yes, Islam the false religion, full of fallacies and leads to insane and satanic behavior, really inhumane and crazy.
You are nothing but a pathetic low-life miserable winger.
Sounds like you are begging for a Butt Bomb or something!!
Take your whining to the FF blogsite - come on, vamoose!
@ 2.53PM
So did you get what you asked for?
Im talking about your Butt-Bomb? Or would you prefer the Scorpion-Bomb?
You could also request for a Suicide- Drone, yeah another latest Jihadi method of annihilation!
Crazy looney inhumane freaks!!
It doesn't take much to shake them from their branches does it.
Ah, someone has sussed out our real worth to the blog community whilst we had been attempting to hide behind the banner of anti government warriors.
Bugger, what shall we do?
Mention another religion of course, that will give us some credibility.
And of course we must mention our favourite pastime, butts.
Ha Ha...............
"My assessment is that YOU ARE A DOGO BRANCH, growing by the banks of the Wainivula river and happily enjoying the fertilizer.
We can see it in your leaves."
Interpretation by Simba Sei O:
This portrays someone who is totally lost, blind and mentally twisted. No light in his world, only darkness. He cant figure out right from wrong.
This sad dogo tree is lifeless, its leaves would be dead brown and shrivelled and no bird finds a place on its drooping branches. It feeds off unhealthy sewer sludge that is uncontrollably flowing into the Wainivula River. Its seedlings may tend to be contaminated and destroyed likewise.
The Truth about The Fiji Sun - Media Bias and the Hypocrisy of Frank B, Military Thug.
Looking back with FijiLeaks:
There’s been much discussion about this. The issue here concerns what many believe to be a lack of fair and balanced coverage by Fiji’s two daily newspapers. The end result of such a scenario is that readers are deprived of the facts, comment and news reporting they require to make informed decisions.
In an election it is even more vital for the people to have access to credible even-handed reporting. Without this an election cannot truly be regarded as free and fair as the electorate is less than well informed and therefore limited in its ability to make a sound judgment on whom to vote for or support.
On June 12th 2014 during the opening of the Fiji First office in Suva, Frank Bainimarama accused the Fiji Times of bias. I thought it was extraordinary that he made no comment about the content and slant of the political coverage of the Fiji Times competitor, the Fiji Sun. This said something about the way his mind works. Many citizens regard the Sun as being primarily a mouthpiece for the Bainimarama government. In other words, they see it as being extremely biased in favor of the administration to the extent that it is a propaganda organ.
Frank B had eight years to turn the people against him.
Eight years in which by the way he had taken over and the way he had acted throughout the people had ample time to despise him.
What a great advantage to any opposition and disadvantage for himself.
So what went wrong?
Ha Ha Ha.........
Hahaha! very funny to read @Dr mahen reddy and dr mahendra kumar going head-to-head for professor of Kamasutra title. These two academic chandals have not changed from the time I knew them back in the days. Lock up wives, sisters, daughters when they are around!
Is that a frightened laugh 5:25 PM? It sounds shallow and uncertain.
What went wrong was that QORVIS, Fiji Sun, FBC TV and other lying media companies have been believing and broadcasting his lies enhanced by Khaiyum and the people have been led to believe the lies too.
But the lies will soon be realized by all who have been lied to. As the real truths slowly but surely are exposed, then that is when the liars will realize that they should not have told those lies.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
@ Anonymous 1:12 PM.
It is prophetically and biblically true that all heathen nations will turn against Israel and engage in the last war near Jerusalem. The Prophet Zechariah writes this in in his Book in the Old Testament (2nd last Book before the Book of Malachi).
It will also be then that Jehovah (Jesus Christ), God and King of the Jews, Israel and the whole world will appear on the Mount of Olives, also near Jerusalem, to personally save His covenant people.
They will mourn in repentance when their Lord , God and King whom they crucified will be in their midst to fight and gain victory for them in their wars.
As these people see the wounds in His hands and the scars on His side, they will ask, "What are these wounds on Thy hands and side?' The He will answer and say, "These wounds are those afflicted upon me in the house of my friends." Then these people of Israel will repent and mourn and cry as they realize that Jehovah (Jesus Christ) who actually covenanted with them was the very God whom they crucified. They will realize that it was they and not their God who broke their sacred covenant.
As they come unto Him with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and then Israel will become a great nation again, even greater than in the times of King David and King Solomon.
@Anonymous 5:57 PM
You try so hard but are not too convincing.
To believe that so many could be hoodwinked and also at the same time we were being told by just about every anti government blogger that 'their' people would not vote for him is something you overlook.
To assume that the majority were conned or did not have the brains to recognise the facts is a rather poor view of the intelligence of those in Fiji.
Look at these SODELPA fools. Believing an anonymous wannabe claiming to be an international observer. Using the one event which was dismissed to claim pathetic allegation.
They think because we Fiji First supporters voted for Bainimarama we must be incapable of thinking on our own yet they are because their opinions are more concrete than absolute facts.
They go on and on about various personal posts about me yet none of them have the ability to debate in a proper context where facts are used.
They try to politicise the pipe burst which has been fixed with a new pipe about to be constructed. They have been posting the usual personal opinions and personal attacks comments.
They are incapable of debating my factual comments instead they try to paint a personal picture. What a bunch of pathetic loosers.
They assume this site is popular because of how many of us come here but little do they know we come here for the entertainment factor. And many more reads it for pure comical debate blunder.
As I have said before I suppose dreams are free ey.
It's not an assumption @ 6:42 PM. It's fact.
@Anonymous 7:00 PM
What's fact?
Is you version of 'fact' the same type as that of Mickey Mouse Beddoes when he held up two pieces of paper in his hands and announced to the world, I have caught them out.
Then crept away and hid out of embarrassment after being made to look the biggest dork in Fiji?
Anonymous 2.22pm
That's the problem with people like you and Nayacakalou. You act like some hard man in here posting under an anonymous name. Yet in the real world you don't have the balls to talk in person.
Now Nayacakalou is claiming to work in the same office as me. Well if he had the strength of his conviction he would approach my office or even out in town and speak his mind to me in person.
Yet he hides behind a fake name in here and speaks alot of bullocks. Is this what you lot term as hard man warriors ey. Debate with me in here or in person is fine because that's healthy but when you stoop low to try and get violent then guess what I will return the favour.
The fact you think it's acceptable to shut someone's opinions through violence makes you a coward. You are incapable of convincing people through facts and debate. Instead you want to force them through absolute physical violence.
These reminds me of the 2000 coup instigators and supporters whom the people blindly believe and follow. Guess what your way of convincing people no longer works. Opinion and violence are a thing of the past.
The Fiji First way is facts, debate and most importantly the absolute truth and action. Keep barking lies and violence because in the end that is all your feeble mind is capable of.
And thank you for once again enforcing my points of just how pathetic and sad you lot are.
Adios time loop and history idiots. Hahahaha.
"The "end of days," so
often spoken of by the Prophets, is not to be understood to mean, as some misinterpret it, the end of the world, but it denotes the period when the development and education of humanity will reach their highest point."
Moshe Hess : Rome and Jerusalem the Last National Question
Perhaps the guys who are posting those apocalyptic Biblical pieces need to read the works of some of the modern (and post modern) Hebrew Prophets.
Moshe Hess is the father of Socialist Zionism (Labor Zionism) which is the ideological basis on which the modern State of Israel has been built. The great political and military warriors of the first 30 years of the State of Israel are from that ideological branch of Labor Zionism. The Hagganah is from that branch. This was when Israel was covered with the Shekinah of Yaweh's mercy.
The turning point came in the late 70's when the political change in the Knesset saw the rise of Revisionist Zionism. Thereafter Grapes of Wrath 1 and 2 and then the debacles in Southern Lebanon and the Gaza and Palestinian territories and the never-ending bloodshed. That leadership in Israel today is from the opposite branch of Revisionist Zionism. The Stern Branch gang of Zionism.
Far apart from the great moral warriors of their noble past. Moshe Dayan, Golda Meir etc etc etc
Vili Rakoro, do you have to work at being stupid, or does it just come naturally to you?
You criticise the politicisation of the broken sewerage pipe that now bears your name, but it was you who tries to lay the blame on the governments of the past fifty years, as though the pipe has been broken that long. LOL.
You claim that we're the ones trying to hush people's opinions through threats of physical violence, and yet all of the political violence in Fiji is now being perpetrated by your side.
You say that you're the "hard man" willing to stand and debate the "facts", but the reality is that you're a weenie hiding behind an army of thugs, sodomists and traitors.
You're the one supporting a regime that imposed total media censorship, locked up publishers, and even now puts the media under undue pressure.
Undoubtedly that's one of the reasons you've chosen to overlook for why Coup 4.5 remains the most popular website in Fiji. People still need to come here just to find out what's really happening in Fiji, since the real news isn't covered by the Fiji Sun. This continues even in the months after your "free and fair" elections, now openly disavowed by an anonymous "international observer", and the results of which can easily be explained through rigging.
If, as one of your fellow travelers writes, it's human nature that any website will have more moaners than supporters, then I would submit that you are the moaners. After all, this is a pro-democracy website. It's you and your ilk who are the naysayers here.
If you really represent Fiji's majority, then you should be able to sustain your own blogsite. What else are you paying Qorvis so much money for? You should be able to get Tui Viti and All Hail Bainimarama to contribute their usual scintillating comments. And if we're really all a bunch of Bible-thumping nutters here, then we'll be frequent visitors as well, if only for the entertainment value.
Anyone who believes the "End of Days" prophesied in the Bible actually "denotes the period when the development and education of humanity will reach their highest point" obviously hasn't read the Bible with even a modicum of understanding. The world is destined for some very rough times.
Hey, Vili Rakoro, don't look now, "hard guy", but it looks like Mere has just shredded all of your silly, lame-ass arguments. Hahaha.
@10.33
The end of paradise in the Garden of Eden was when Eve ate from the "fruit of knowledge".
What Moshe Hess refers to there is the knowledge which raises man to a level where "man is God".
Where God is created in the image of man, as St Paul refers to in the Book of Romans as man creating a God in his own image or in the image of mans imagination.
Comparing God with your Vu. Mixing the Toa and the Vucu with Jesus Christ. Making your Vanua your Kalou.
That is the knowledge of the fruit from the Garden of Eden (allegorically speaking).
Na vuku vaka vuravura...
Mere, NOBODY is that stupid naturally. He must work at it.
Mere
Media censorship is a western invention specifically western journalists whom assume they speak for freedom. And we all know how two face them western media are. In the Iraq invasion coverage both US and UK media hoodwinked both side of the Atlantic and the world to the idea that the invasion was due to Weapons of Mass destruction (WMD).
And as it turned out it was a lie. In the UK News of the world was guilty of invading people's voice mail even one of a woman whom was missing and was being investigated for. They then printed the findings claiming that they had a source. And the family of that woman had to find out through the media About information regarding their daughter/Sister.
The UK government then disbanded that particular media company and set up a media censorship committee.
In Fiji especially in the I Taukei's hierarchy where traditional communication methods are still followed a western style media freedom would clash with it.
In conclusion every government do have some form of media censorship because it is vital to ensure that the media organisations report solid information and obtain those information through legal and moral ways.
Your pathetic attempts at trying to accuse me of politicising the pipe burst clearly shows your one sided view. You overlooked the fact that I was consistently asked by your lot to explain why that happened whilst they accused the government of all sorts. My reply didn't need to politicise it because your lot have already done that. I merely put things in perspective based on solid facts.
Having an opinions is fine but when you try to push it ahead of basic solid facts and overlook evidence then that's where you get frustrated because unlike your lot, us Fiji First prefer to stand on the side of facts and truth.
We get that you lot have sour grapes for loosing the election badly but your persistent to continue trying to force your views and opinions on us regardless of overwhelming evidences is laughable to say the least.
You see when you all say that you advocate democracy it's fine but then you continue to say and act the complete opposite.
Your idea of democracy is one that has held us back for decades. SODELPA did exactly the same speech pre election and we're surprised they lost. And what I find comical is the fact that even now they are still trotting the same racist policy as shown in Kepa's Christmas speech.
Seriously mann you guys lost the election using the same strategy. You all need to change it or come next election you'll loose even more voters. Repeating the same bullshit that lost you many voters is not going to bring them back. That is politics 101. The only chance SODELPA has is to get rid of the old school politicians like Kepa and modernise your party line and manifesto.
Keep repeating the same old bullshit then you're doomed for good mann.
Vili Rakoro, is that your comeback? Feeble, man. Feeble.
Anonymous 11:10, you'd do better read less Kabbalah and more Biblical commentary.
The end of paradise wasn't when Eve ate from the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Fall was when Adam ate it. God's prohibition against eating the fruit was given to Adam.
The serpent used the fruit to tempt Eve. Eve tempted Adam. But Adam committed the first sin, and that was the Fall.
Mere
Coup 4.5 is popular with SODELPA supporters because it enhance their racist mentality. You just don't get it do you. Fiji First don't need a blog because we won. Everything we want the world to know is being done by official media organisations with a seal of approval from Fiji First government and supporters.
Even if there was a Fiji First blog it wouldn't be fun to post in there because everyone there would agree with my views. That's why I prefer it in here where I can be a light amongst the dark souls.
Everything you want the world to know...
What about the facts that you DON'T want the world to know, dummy?
Why is it then that C4.5 can be successful, even with crackpots like Vili Rakoro writing to it who clearly don't agree with its views?
These cretins should publish their own blog. I guarantee you that they will find a lot of people don't agree with their views, that is, if they bother to read their blog in the first place.
Media freedom is a Western invention. Media censorship is not. Oriental despotisms were practicing media controls long before fascism arrived. But it would seem that Vili Rakoro would prefer to take his cues from Hitler and Mussolini.
Few governments in the world control their country's media as tightly as does Bainimarama's regime. Transparency International couldn't even rank Fiji because the regime is so untransparent.
The fascists' claim is always that they're trying to make media more "responsible", but they could just as easily allow media peer review to accomplish the same purpose, if they were sincere.
But they are not sincere. Their real objective is to muzzle the press. That's why they have the Fiji Sun, and we have C4.5.
@11.27
Well that's a chauvinist interpretation of Scripture isn't it ? (And here I was thinking God told both of them not to partake of the fruit of that Tree in the middle of the Garden !)
So which ever way you cut it they both FELL.
And that FALL is precisely because they believed that they would "know of good and evil" (i.e have knowledge). Gnostic knowledge or whatever it was, bottom line is it was knowledge which obviously made them equal to God (so the serpent said).
So having fallen from that Paradise, our Christian theology teaches that God then made another way for us to reconnect with God. The idea if FAITH. You'll find that very early in Genises where Abram believed and because of his faith he was accounted righteous in Gods eyes.
Of course we Christians have added on a new idea of FAITH in union with Christ.
That was after all that business with the law from Mount Moriah being in adequate to guarantee salvation. So God sent his son down to die on the Cross and make a new way for us to plug back into his Rest (the Rest which Adam and Eve lost by eating that fruit).
So you see it starts from that whole idea of perfection. Not human perfection but Godly perfection. Perfection in the image of God. Or as the Christians believe perfection in Union with Christ, by the Grace of God.
So where does your end of days apocalypse come into all this ? Would be really interested to know ! I mean Koresh and those guys burnt down a few barns somewhere Stateside over that kind of thing, and didn't some other cult have a massive suicide pact waiting for that thing in Guinea ?
Anonymous 11.55 pm
Are you kidding me. All western countries have something called the national security act. Whenever they want to censor the media they say it's national security.
The CIA and MI6 are the best at it. Media freedom is confined to within the realms of national safety. Therefore to think that the media should have the freedom to report conclusively regardless of repercussions to the safety of the nation's is nothing short of treason.
Dreams are free ey.
Call it a chauvinistic interpretation if you like. My hermaneutics don't place much emphasis on being politically correct. God's injunction to Adam came before Eve even existed.
The Fall of Man was not because Adam and Eve believed that they would "know of good and evil", or because God feared they would know of good and evil. After all, by that point, it was already too late. They'd both already eaten from the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. As I recall from my reading of Genesis, the Fall was because Adam had sinned and had to be expelled from the Garden lest he also eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life, which I infer to mean that God feared that man's sin could result in his permanent separation from God.
Some Jews might still feel otherwise, but Christianity is not a cult. The Branch Dravidians and People's Temple do not represent Christianity whatsoever. To understand the Apocalypse, I recommend that you first read a Christian exegesis of the Book of Revelation, which should tie it in with the prophecies of Daniel, Isaiah, and others.
Vili Rajoro, governments can censor media on the basis of national security, especially in war time. They might need a court order, or they might need the approval of an oversight committee, but they can do it.
But is that what we've had in Fiji? No, not at all. What we've had is a policeman in every newsroom and cyber café, preventing the publication of anything -- not just opinion, but news -- remotely critical of the regime. We've had the knock at 2 AM, with publishers pulled from their homes by soldiers and rushed to the airport to be hustled off on the next flight. We've had firebombings and publishers sent to prison for minor offenses. We've had contempt charges laid in court, news announcers fired, and licenses suspended and threatened to be suspended because the regime didn't see certain stations towing the line it wanted to peddle.
Here's an idea for you, Vili. If a media outlet publishes or states something the government deems untrue or irresponsible, then what is to stop other media, or the government spokesperson, from simply refuting the story with facts? I thought you were supposed to be a big believer in the power of facts, after all.
Anonymous 12.44 am
In the past 8 years before election Fiji was not a democracy. It was ruled by decree and by the Military. It was in a state of transformation as a developing nation.
The western democracy style of reports simply did not fit that particular style of governance at that time and to think otherwise is plain stupid.
Obviously we all wish for a media freedom suited to Fiji's version where tradition and religion are respected. Trying to implement a first world media law into a developing country like ours which has tradition and cultures is impossible.
First we must try to modernise and bridge our modern ways together with all our traditional ways so they can work together in harmony. We had to get rid of the racist elements that has for so long affected us in order for us to prosper and take our role in our region and further afield.
Once we have transit into modernisation only then can we start to introduce certain western values. We must remember not all western values and systems will work in our blend of traditional and modern democracy. And to try and force the western values on our people as our past has shown will only succeed in slowing or breaking us down.
The fundamentals of our country is very different from those of the western ones therefore regardless of how good it's theories may be. It's implementation will always fail unless we either wait until we are ready or we adjust it to suit our current realities.
Simply saying that we should implement western style of media reports without factoring in our traditional and religious elements is asking our people to accept something they don't understand. Which basically means you're not really doing it for the very people you claim to represent.
Above everything we must put our people and their needs first. From the ones in the village with little education to the ones in the city who have had higher education.
Finding the balance is the key. We have tried since independence to do that under various governments with similar constitution until 2006 coup and it has not brought us closer to anything just the fat cat elite like the convict Qarase filling their pockets and when they retire they go abroad like USA and live it up. All the while our people continue to struggle and wondering what happened to the promises made to them by politicians like Qarase and those before him.
Anonymous @ 12:44 AM, the name isn't Vili Rajoro. It's Vili RAKORO.
You know, just like the broken sewerage pipe.
@12.28
"As I recall from my reading of Genesis, the Fall was because Adam had sinned and had to be expelled from the Garden lest he also eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life"
Interesting thesis !
So according to you God threw Adam out even though Adam had not sinned ? (i.e not eaten the fruit)
How does that work ?
Was he guilty by default ? guilty by association ? guilty by presumption ? No natural Justice ?
Did he vicariously sin through Eve ?
So Adam never ate the apple and got kicked out nevertheless huh ? It was the woman all along eh ? The Devil woman eh ? Sa Dina !
Anyway, here's the kernel of the issue. Mai wakana.....
Genesis 3 v 1 to 7
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
The knowledge of good and evil referenced there in Genesis is the knowledge of the Dark side. Vakatevoro. Draunikau, Jadu. Voodooo. That is the knowledge which God still abhors and prohibits today (hence the injunction everywhere in the Bible against consulting spirits, which by the way da cakava sara tikoga na Itaukei ni kua, doing witchcraft na kena veimataqali e tu a na veikoro ni noda vanua, trying toprohesy the future koya qori e caka sara tuga e na noda veivalenilotu siga kei na bogi and etc etc etc.
God abhors it because it all started in the Garden of Eden as a rebellion against him. Adam and Eve for the sake of that knowledge rebelled against God.
Da wilika mada vaka vinaka na noda Vola Tabu ka toso yani ki na loloma ni Turaga me dola kina na matada ki na dina titobu ni nona vosa.
They consulted Satan. That is essentially spiritualism of the type that God prohibits. Na matai saraga ni cakacaka ni vakasausau kei na vakatevoro erau cakava qori in talking to Satan and taking his advise to eat the fruit
Talking to Satan is a revelation. Just like talking to the Vu, to Dakuwaqa, to Moro, to Marama Rua, to the puaka vula, to the Toa, to the Baka tree, to the yaqona bowl. It is a revelation of the Dark side. From that point they knew Satan and they knew God. Sa basoga rua na knowledge. Good and bad.
But they chose Satan and ate the fruit which is essentially metaphorical for tasting the sweet tasting fruit of the worldiness and power. Power because they became "like God".
Dominion under the spirits of this age. Of what Paul calls in the Book of Galatians the powers of this age.
This apocalyptic business is precisely that.
Trying to foretell and forecast the future when Jesus said none of you will know the time nor the day.
Its seancing. No better then the Tarot cards and trying to foresee the future with a crystal ball.
What was the fruit that Eve and Adam ate in the Garden of Eden?
Vakavakarau taka tiko o vili rakorokoro da nona butt bomb me botea na dakai bitu ni sa voleka na yabaki vou
In 2013 the Russians had more than a 1000 war drills, this year 2014 they had 3000 war drills,29 is earmarked for January,2015 already.The US North Pacific Fleet has had several war drills with its allies namely Japan, Taiwan, Aust,NZ,Samoa and Tonga this year, usually they have this oncee or twice a year but several??. As usual media release from the Chinese Military is hush,hush but they have sophisticated war armmament that could rival the US and have naval ships that recently tracked and plotted the path or trajectory for a Chinese Rocket to the Moon and return.This Naval Ship twice docked on our Suva Port.
Question: Why have these Nuclear Powers increased their military manouvers recently?? when bearing in mind the fact that thousands of naval ships,warplanes,helicopters,vehicles transporting troops,arms,tanks,missiles so they will consume millions of litres of fuel which will cost Billions and then the manpower so again Millions spend on food rations,then there is communication and the list goes on, so apart from an actual war Billions are spent on war drills alone without anyone getting killed from friendly fire due to artificial intelligence present in all war arms and ammunition today.
Sabre Rattling as some may call them,then it is some very expensive rattling.
Our position in the Pacific being the hub or center plays a very important strategic position from a military point of view,the Aust Military are very much keen to rekindle past relations with our military the Chinese and Russians are also keen to set up military and naval or support bases in Fiji so if our Gov uses this to its advantage; we could use the benefits to fully equip our soldiers and police on UN Peace Missions.
O Vili e sega ni gone i taukei....Its the DRAGON....ASK!!!!
@12.44AM....WHAT YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
There Vili Rakoro goes again, this time with a bunch of pseudo-sociological hooey about why Fiji doesn't want "Western style" freedom of speech because we're a developing country that wants to maintain our culture and traditions. That sounds like it came from the same crock of double-speak hocum that Shaista Shameem used to sell, except I'm not sure even she believes that claptrap any more.
Does Bainimarama's regime really strike anyone as a government that wants to preserve our culture and traditions? This is the same regime, after all, that purported to abolish the Great Council of Chiefs and our constitution, just for starters -- only Fiji's paramount cultural institution and our most basic law of the land! It also wants to replace our national flag with one it has yet to disclose. (With the black banner displayed by the gunman in the window of Lindt's Chocolates in Sydney, perhaps? Probably not, but who can say for sure?)
Isn't it funny how when the democratic opposition wants to discuss Fijian culture and tradition, Vili Rakoro accuses us of racism? And yet now comes this self-same Vili Rakoro trying to justify suppression of free speech, lest it somehow harm our culture and traditions!
Of course, don't expect Rakoro to see the contradiction. He's got a talent for overlooking anything that doesn't fit his narrow worldview.
Is freedom of speech somehow inimical to Fji's culture and traditions? Rakoro seems to suggest it is. But looking at the regime's record of organisation-slaying and assaults on our legal and cultural institutions, can anyone doubt for a moment that the vanua and its traditions would have fared better in an atmosphere of freer speech than it has under the regime's repression?
Being a developing country doesn't excuse a government's dismal human rights record or suppression of free speech. We all understand Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs, but freedom of speech and, say, economic development are not incompatible or mutually exclusivef. Indeed, the world's most industrialised countries protect freedom of speech.
Fiji might indeed be a developing country, but so was ancient Athens. It's now nearly 2015 A.D. Is the New Fiji under Bainimarama still struggling to modernise to the level of Greece in the fourth century before Christ?
Forty years ago, freedom of speech wasn't much of an issue. It was our birthright as free people. We were developing then, too -- faster, it would seem, than we are now. Unlike Bainimarama's regime, these past governments managed just fine with so-called "Western style" freedom of speech.
But then, again, they didn't have as much to hide.
Or was it because they had never tried "Eastern style" free speech? That's right, "EASTERN style" free speech -- you know, the kind where only the despot is entitled to speak, and everyone else is entitled only to listen and obey?
Hmmm, now we're getting warm. Sounds quite a bit like Fiji under Bainimarama, doesn't it?
This, then, is Vili Rakoro's vision. Only Bainimarama and his representatives are allowed any say. All potentially divisive issues like identity and racism will just be decided by decree, swept under the rug, or hidden behind the façade of a Potemkin Village.
Yet, how are we to protect our culture and traditions if we're not allowed to speak out in their defence? What would Fiji be without them? Do we choose to be true Fijians or only caricatures of Fijians -- smiling, half-educated natives trading on the commercialisation of the bula spirit, dancing mekes with meanings no one remembers, in homage to a forgotten, now neutral god.
Freedom of speech is recognized as a universal human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. A UNIVERSAL human right. That means it's a right of everyone, everywhere, and unalienable by Rakoro or his regime, even if he thinks he knows what's better for us than we do ourselves. It's precisely because we are a developing country that Fiji needs freedom of speech more than ever, to debate and determine our national destiny, to help guide our way, and to avoid unproductive detours like those forced upon us by the present regime.
THIS IS WHAT DIKHEAD VILI RAKORO SAID on December 29, 1:29AM
""And to try and force the western values on our people as our past has shown will only succeed in slowing or breaking us down.""
VILI doesn't want Western Values FORCED UPON US but he is quite happy to let Bainimarama and Kaiyum FORCED DOWN THEIR 2013 CONSTITUTION UPON US.
THIS SHOWS THAT VILI LACKS THE ABILITY TO STAND BACK AND READ WHAT HE HAS JUST WRITTEN....HE IS A TOTAL FUCKWIT!
If vili is kaiyum then it just shows the farked up brain that kaiyum has. Lacking in empathy and an inability to analyse the stupidity of his own thoughts.
Anonymous @ 7:58, I'm sorry to have to say this, but for someone who chooses to lecture us on the purported "deeper, esoteric meaning" of Holy Scripture, you have an appallingly poor understanding of even one of the most famous and foundational stories of all, the story of man's origins and fall from grace.
I never said Adam didn't sin because he didn't eat from the forbidden fruit. What kind of wild interpretation is that?
Please try to follow. The Book of Genesis mentions two special trees in the Garden of Eden. One was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The other was the Tree of Life.
Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Those were two different trees.
In Genesis 2:17, God forbade Adam to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, lest he surely die. God didn't create Eve until Genesis 2:22.
The serpent persuaded Eve to eat fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
When God learnt Adam had eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, He cast him from the Garden, lest he ALSO eat of the Tree of Life.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Genesis 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
In Galatians, we learn that false teaching can incur the severest possible punishment, eternal damnation. Therefore, we must be careful not to change, even to embellish, God's word. Nor would I suggest we speak to Satan, except to say: "Get behind me."
Bula, Mere. Well said!
Is it true that Vili Rakoro has been admitted to hospital because his anus was infected? Well judging by the number of boyfriends he's got we knew that will happen one day hahahahahaha
"22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”"
Sure, which is why St Paul talked about the physical death and why the resurrection i.e Christ rising from the Dead is the conquering not only of sin but also of Death.
The old Adam versus the new man in Christ. The cloak of sin versus the cloak of Grace. The cloak of physical death versus the cloak of the regeneration in the blood of Christ.
Hence it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me (St Paul). That is to say sin and death have been conquered by Christ in me so that I am a new creature in Christ united to the Heavenly Father by grace. His eternal Will that by Christ's death and resurrection the separation of his children (in Christ) from the sinful ways of the world should be complete and that we should be holy unto him. Separated not as the Pahrisees to the law but as new children of God in Christ by the Gospel.
But anyway, where does the apocalyptic "end of days" business fit into the Tree of Life ? That's where we started with your point about the end of days didn't we ? So tell me where does it fit into Christ's Gospel ?
That is what I'd like to hear.
@ 5.25PM
There weren't any heavy duty bazookas around to show you how much the people despised your lying dictator.
Tui Viti
who gives a freaking shit?
If this people decide to go to war no peace keeper will stop it ....iko dua na tamata lialia
go mada & losea memu waka
@ Anon: Dec 29,2014 3:49pm.
We should give a damn when these Powers conduct military manouvers, its a small world,any use of nuclears arms would affect us eventually transported by sea tides and in the air by the winds.
It pays to have friends on both sides of the conflict so when the dust settles both sides will no doubt agree to have Fiji Soldiers on Peace keeping duties,keeping both parties at bay.
Tui, so you mean that Fiji will fare well if we handed over our precious 'hub of the pacific' to China and Russia and just so that these foreign powers can assist Fiji financially to fully 'dress' our soldiers and police on UN Peacekeeping? Are you serious?
Well I dont about that. But right now the world is on alert and if there was a war to take place US and NATO are prepared for it against China and Russia in Eastern Europe. Its the fight over Ukraine.
Just simply saying that for Fiji to offer Russia and China the freedom to come and dock and make our hub their naval/military base is too far fetched but seeing what the FF government is capable of doing for gain, nothing is stoppable.
Does it really agree with you to have these foreign powers with political ideologies and objectives that are diametrically opposed to UN/NATO rules lay nesting in Fiji harbours JUST FOR THE SAKE of assisting our military soldiers to fully equip themselves for peacekeeping duties under the UN?
Just doesnt make complete sense. Dont you think we will be inviting air to ground missiles etc etc when all hell breaks lose?
Good question is where is FF government leading us??
@ Anon Dec 29, 2014 5:36pm
I didnt say 'hand over' those were your words but we could accomodate them if their naval ships need supplies that we could supply,like e.g. Chilled Fiji Gold Beer, it would be a nice change from Vodka,dont you think comrade? Plus many more that our Business houses could provide.
For instance when the Chinese Naval ships berthed at the Suva Wharf they bought all the drinks including Fiji Gold Beer etc from O'Reillys, plus other outlets in Suva.Just imagine the amount of fuel they would need to resupply their ships,then the food etc,they bought more stuff than the all the tourists ships combined. Remember these were young men and women naval officers who work and sweat everyday so they have a huge appetite.
You sound as if US/NATO forces would crush Russia/China let me educate you in a bit of World History the US/NATO were Defeated in the Allied Intervention of the 1918-1920 Russia Civil War. Yes Russia and its allies rallied and defeated them.
1955-1973 Vietnam War again US and its allies were defeated by NVC's trained and armed by Russian Military
Cuba- Bay of Pigs War; the US and its allies were defeated and Fidel Castro is still President
but of course the US has been involved in a lot of wars since 1776 till to date Pakistan/Afghan wars,WMD Wars it has won a lot but was defeated when it involved the Russians, yeah I know the Russians never won the war in Afghanistan but they have never been defeated by the Americans.
We have been taught from a young age when our minds were at its most vulnerability that Communism and Socialism was bad ,that Democracy was the way forward but if you look at which countries are causing wars and declaring wars around the globe you will notice so would any secondary school kid that the Democratic Countries are involved in almost all wars.
Removing leaders like Saddam Hussein,Libya's Gaddafi leaving the land in ruins and more desolate than it ever was before,did the people of these 2 nations voted for the conflict to take place??
That is a question I want you to answer before I will reply to any future posts.
Time to enjoy my waka,taki mada!!
Moscow Update 28/12/14: The Ukrainian parliament has voted to take steps towards joining NATO, a pointed rebuke to Russia that immediately drew an angry response.
With a Russian-backed separatist insurgency still gripping eastern Ukraine, the parliament voted overwhelmingly 303-8, to repeal a 2010 law that codified a policy of “non-alignment,” and to instead pursue closer military and strategic ties with the West.
Mere
All these allegations you're posting about the governments human rights violation has never been proven. You're throwing accusations left right and centre without any conclusive evidence to back up your wild claims. Therefore your argument on that particular subject is mute.
On the subject of western style media freedom. Firstly your claim about how I contradict myself with claiming how we need to think about how we merge Tradition and modernisation is weak because the government disbanded the GCC is you twisting my words.
On my comments here I have consistently shown how I look after the people. The GCC needed to go because they had become politicised. They simply have lost the ability to look after their people. The chiefs became greedy.
So the government disbanded the GCC to preserve our tradition and our people whom were mistreated by chiefs and past politicians. The chiefs place is in the village where they attend to the needs and wants of the people.
So when people have a query they tell the chiefs and the chief engage with relevant government authorities. Now you add a western style media it complicate things unless we adjust it or wait till we are ready.
Mere please rather than posting alot of bullshit about your opinions try evidence and facts otherwise you become nothing more than part of the SODELPA crowd who believes more in their opinions then solid facts. Kinda like Kua ni Rere, Nacakalou and Tomasi.
Mereoni you talk through your big cave!!!..I ve been reading most of your posts. You always twist and turn what people say and then give your bullshit of how you see the world!!.Not only that you add words to statements that people didn't even write.Enough of your sensitive hormonal rants going make the farking cup of tea and fry some casava.
@Tui Sona 8:20 PM
Good to see that you've left the Americans and now will happily join with the Russians.
I know Bainimarama loves the Russians too.
He hates QORVIS.
I hope he'll tell the Americans to pack and phuck off from the country in 24 hours.
Nothing to be gained by propaganda point scoring against the Yanks.
Speak the truth to power. That's okay. Sensible. Good.
Irrational poorly reasoned emotional whims and flights of fancy is irresponsible and only diminishes our standing in the eyes of these superpowers.
Its one thing being brave and another thing altogether being stupid. Lets be brave, not stupid.
Lets think. Lets understand. Lets formulate a coherent doctrinal basis for our position in this new Asia Pacific Century.
For the Yanks the Asia Pacific century means an integration of economies within a dynamic region which is now close to producing 2/3rd of the worlds GDP.
In December 2011 the Yank Armed Forces Command and the top Think Tanks in the States had a conference at Maxwell Airforce Base in Alabama where they war gamed the variables related to the strategic scenario developing for the Asia Pacific region.
Their findings are interesting. One of the key consensus positions (they used the RAND Corporation Delphi methodology) amongst the top Yank Military experts is that the Asia Pacific century will be characterised by an interdependency of economies. That interdependency will be one of the factors for a stable Asia Pacific where socio economic development is the focus as opposed to competing military interests and conflict.
That should be a cue for Suva not to buy into the Lowy Institute fixation of a threat to the Security interests of Australia just because there is a prospect of a Chinese or Russian naval base being set up in the region.
It may be a threat to Australia, but certainly not for the Yanks who do not see it as a likelihood given their own economic interdependency with the China.
Russia, well Putin is playing to a Domestic Russian audience as much as playing his geopolitical manouver in the Ukraine.
Bottom line is Russia needs the West as much as the West needs Russia. Europe relies on Russian Gas and oil. Russia relies on European investments.
And we in Fiji cannot afford to make enemies with any of these big guys. Friends to all hostile to none, that must be the policy.
Anonymous 12.32 am
It would be nice to be friends to all but in the real world that ain't possible. If you wanna sit on the fence that's your choice but some of us would rather die on our feet than live on our knees ey.
What nonsense! You're already living on your knees under Baininmarama.
The only difference between the likes of Vili Rakoro and Tui Viti and the rest of you is that they get comfortable knee pads.
Anonymous 3.04 am
Since independence all the way through till 2006 people like you were on your knees to the self serving politicians and greedy chiefs. And now you don't even know you're on your feet because you've been so used to being on your knees.
Tui Viti, thank you for revealing once again that you are a traitor to Fiji.
@Vili Rakoro
The World Bank (US controlled) is here in Suva working on the restructure of the Civil Service.
The missions with UNIFIL and UNAMI and even MFO in Sinai (all with US endorsement) see RFMF troops being deployed to mission fields all over the world.
The Asian Bank (again US controlled) signed a hundred million funding agreement last week here in Suva.
All very well talking about dying on your feet rather then living on your knees.
The Government has a responsibility to see to the welfare of the people(which includes the children, women, the elderly and the weak) and not merely pander to the foolish fantasies of some suicide pact idiots who get horny on ideas of going down in a blaze of glory.
Maybe you should go to your village and tell them all these ideas about going down in a Blaze of Glory and dying on your feet and march about your Koro screaming it to everybody in place of the Turaga no Koro and see what the Chief does to you. He'll probably give you a slap.
Oops, sounds like the Vili Rakoro is still spilling its sewage!
But so glad to hear that Chief Warwar isn't self-serving or a greedy politician! In fact, it's remarkable, isn't it, how, after often intervening in Fiji's politics as RFMF Commander, and ruling Fiji for several years now, and after competing in and even supposedly winning election in his own right, Bainimarama still isn't a politician?
Don't let his overseas junkets to the Hong Kong Sevens, or the houses he gives to Mary, or the multiple salaries, or the back pay, or the regimental fund, or the unaudited PM's Emergency Flood Account, or the special arrangements with Aunty Nor, or the Island Business photo of him kissing babies deceive you into thinking he's a greedy politician! After all, we now have Vili Rakoro's assurance that he's not.
Anonymous, you're asking me to comment on a very complex subject, about which have formed many schools of thought, each with its own fascinating body of literature. Moreover, this is a topic rather far from the mark from what this website is supposed to be, which is a clearinghouse for real news on Fiji and a forum for those of us who wish to see democracy restored to Fiji. Nonetheless, I'll try to answer you carefully, bearing in mind the possible penalty for false teaching, but also feeling that, in the final analysis, we should use the opportunities that come our way to build God's kingdom. If but one of C4.5's readers is touched by God through my effort, then it will be worth it.
You ask how the Tree of Life relates to the Apocalypse and the End of Days. Some, like full preterists, believe the End of Days, or Eschaton, doesn't refer to the actual destruction of the world but to the end of the covenant between God and Israel. They believe this already occurred with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman army under Titus in 70 A.D. Others, including myself, believe we are living in the End Times, which will culminate in the Apocalypse, which actually means "lifting of the veil" or revelation.
My own reasons for believing we are living in the End Times are based on numerous factors, including the advent of weapons of mass destruction, the founding of Israel, the development of international mass media, the creation of bar codes and RFID chips, the founding of the European Union, and the rise of radical Islam. I won't take space to explain each of these further but invite readers to do their own research. These are my own interpretations, based on my knowldge of scripture, history, and current events, but many other interpretations are possible and also have support amongst Biblical scholars.
Signs of the end times are given us principally by Christ Jesus, the Prophet Daniel, and the Book of Revelation, generally attributed to the Apostle John. It is not for us to know the precise time, which will come like a "thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2). Not even Jesus knew the time but the Father only. (Matthew 24:36).
The Book of Revelation speaks of Seven Seals, Seven Trumpets, and Seven Vials -- I believe these are all signposts along a prophetic trail. I believe we are already well along this trail.
To enter into heaven, you must be born again. Those called of God will be born twice and die but once. Those who are not will be born once but die twice.
As with the children of Israel with Moses in the Land of Goshen at the time of the Plague of the First Born, the only sure salvation is to be covered in the Blood of the Lamb. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb. He is also the Tree of Life. He has paid the cost of our sins, through his death. Accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and let him live through your life, just as he has given you the promise of eternal life through his expiating death.
This will sound like foolishness to some. I know, as I once was as they are, blinded by my intellectual arrogance. Pride remains the foremost stumblingblock of man. We see ample evidence of it everyday in the comments posted on this website.
May God rebuke, correct, and forgive me for any error in this explanation.
Hehe. Do we really want to take strategic guidance on what should be Fiji's foreign affairs from Tui Viti, a man who thinks that the Russians defeated NATO decades before NATO ever even came into existence? Just sayin'.
Hey, Military, Al-Nusra let you keep your head. Be nice, and maybe Mere will return your manhood.
@ Anon 8.08am the allies that collaborated with the US now form the caucus for NATO, but please dont get me wrong I have great respect for the US,they were our allies in WW2,Korea,Malaysia and Solomons so I respect them for that but I wanted to show a brief perspective of its involvment in most wars,its a champion of Democracy and World Peace literaly and verbally but its actions are comparitively directly oppossing its literal and verbal assurances reminds me of the Bible verse in Daniels ' ...the beast was like a lamb with two horns but speaks like a dragon...' this is the US in prophecy it will act like a lamb-Advocating Democracy,Freedom and Peace,but its Gov Policies[speaks like a dragon] have been WAR, its a huge list so a small list like Vietnam,Gulf WAR 1-2,Afghan,Iraq etc.
I concur with Anon:DEC 30 12:32am we must remain friends with all
@ Anon 7:59am Fijis Mission to the Unifil and the others, wasnt US Approved,its sanctioned by the UN. US has the same votes as other members of the UN Security Council which include China, Russia, England,France etc.
Stop spreading lies you son of Satan.
Happy New Year
@Tui Viti
I think you need to look at the veto powers which the US has to stop further deployments. It sits on the Security Council and because of the Patriot Act it had stopped all new deployments since 2006 simply by ensuring that Fiji is not considered for any new missions. The US can do that and it has done it.
The change for deployments to the Golan and UNDOF came with US endorsement after the Obama administration changed its policy stance towards Fiji with the pivot policy signalled (and later announced) for the Asia Pacific region by Clinton circa 2011/ 2012.
There has been a doctrinal shift in Washington towards this region and to Fiji in particular.
Our problem has not been created by Washington, it was created by Canberra and specifically the pro right Think tanks affiliated with the CSIS and the Republicans in Washington who have continued with the Bush era policies for this region well after they have been proven defunct.
Canberra tapped into those fears and channelled Washington into them and in doing so created the problems for Fiji in that period 2007 to 2011 until the Obama administration began its own review starting in 2010 which has now led to the new changes we are now seeing.
@Anon 8.03
Thanks. I appreciate your posting.
I agree that it is a difficult area of Scripture.
My view is that its an area which only God knows, and that for us to try to forecast what it is or what it means is trying to see into the mind of God, which obviously no man can do as the Scriptures clearly state.
I find that the safest part of the Scripture to rely on are the Letters written by St Paul.
Those Letters are from his words directly and have not been rewritten from an oral tradition (except for the written translations from the Greek to the Latin and then to the English) and they were written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The Torah has gone through many revisions starting way back in Babylon when the Hebrews were in captivity.
Plus from the period after Nemaiah to the commencement of the Gospels its almost basically 500 years of silence.
That 500 years was a tumultuous period in Jewish history. The Macabee revolt, the rise of the Pharisee and Saudecee conflict. The emergence of the Idumaen Kingshipover Israel And obviously the final destruction of the temple at the hands of the Romans.
There is a school of thought in Jewish Orthodoxy today which believes that modern day Israel is against the Will of God and is not founded by God but by the Zionists who based their ideology on Hegel and Marx for the creation of the Zionist homeland in Palestine.
They believe that God will recreate a new Israel when the time is right and that when he creates that new Israel it will be one of peace and love because He is love.
The Zionist Israel of today is not a creation of God and they say that even the great Rabbi's such as Hilliel had forewarned them not to attempt to create a new State but that the Zionists have done so anyway.
I used to wonder why the Orthodox Jews all over the world have been protesting against the occupation of the Palestinian territories. In New York the Orthodox community there is one of the strongest opponents of that Israeli Government policy.
But its a difficulty with understanding Scripture and Prophecies and probably is one of the reasons why the Orthodox are at odds with the Israeli Government and are at the forefront of the protests against the Palestinian occupation.
And is just another difficulty with having attempts to look into the mind of God via these prophecies.
@ Anon 8:50am
So you are saying that the Aussies are responsible for US veto on the Security Council Resolution -deployment of Fiji Soldiers on UN Peacekeeping Missions, okay so what has caused the shift in the stance taken by the US,
Allow me to answer that, the shift in US stance came about when Fiji befriended the other two permanent members of the Security Council China and Russia.
At any rate I believe that we should adopt a Policy of being friendly or friends with all 5 Permanent Members of the UN Security Council and enemy to none.
Vili Rakoro, you say I've been posting unproven allegations about the regime's human rights violations. What allegations and human rights violations are those? In other words, Vili, back up your own allegations with facts. Then we can examine them.
You say Bainimarama's regime has never been proved guilty of human rights violations. Neither was Adolf Hitler's, until after he already was dead and Germany in ruins.
If the regime is guilty of human rights violations, it isn't to be wondered at if those crimes have never been proven. You see, they must be genuinely investigated first, in order to be proven. This regime doesn't allow such investigations.
Mute? You find my argument mute, Vili? Am I not vocal enough for you, or is it that you're deaf? Would you like me to turn up the volume?
Or did you mean to say "moot"?
Mute is what people become when you wave a gun in front of them. Maybe that's what Ro Teimumu means when she refers to a "culture of silence". It's said that even law stands mute in the midst of guns, and the New Fiji seems to bear that out.
Moot, on the other hand, most often refers to an argument that's been rendered obsolete or irrelevant, such as the question of whether Fiji Sun editor Russell Hunter was asleep in his bed before he was frog-marched out of his home in the middle of the night, or whether one of Epeli Qaraniqio's feet was larger than the other before it had to be amputated after he was held by Bainimarama's goon squad.
You see, I never twist your words, Vili. That's because they're already twisted. All I do is untwist them. If after I've untwisted them, you still don't understand, perhaps that's because your thinking needs untwisting as well.
Take, for example, your statement that the government disbanded the GCC in order to preserve our tradition. In fact, it wasn't the government that disbanded the GCC but Bainimarama. In fact, the GCC was a constitutionally sanctioned institution, whilst Bainimarama was a usuper. In fact, the GCC was part of our tradition. So what you're saying, in effect, is that the regime abolished our tradition in order to preserve it.
Am I twisting your words? No, I'm just untwisting the meaning of your words.
You say that the chiefs have lost the ability to look after their people. I ask if it is any wonder since Bainimarama has worked systematically to strip them of that ability, even as he has tried to strip the people of the ability to look after themselves.
You say that your comments here consistently show how you look after people. On that score, I tend to agree with you. They consistently show how poorly you regard the people. They show the disdain with which you regard those who oppose the regime. They consistently show your reflex assumption that those who disagree with you are SODELPA supporters and, in your mind, therefore axiomatically racist. They consistently show how you care more about getting a Christmas bonus or a Pajero than about whether we get to genuinely choose our government or have a voice in defining our identity and traditions.
Hehe. Now Tui Viti thinks he's a prophet. Moreover, this "prophet" thinks Fiji should align with Gog and Magog. ROFLMAO.
Mere
My proof is right here in your comments. You have been posting about allegations about the governments human rights violation without any solid evidence so when I asked you to prove it you try to twist it to say that I somehow must prove that the government didn't.
Are you for real. Do you not read and see how stupid your comments are. The fundamentals of legal practise is based on not guilty until proven otherwise. You're the one throwing accusations therefore the onus is on you to back up those allegations with solid facts.
And now you're comparing Hitler with Bainimarama. You really are a miserable con artists who knows absolutely nothing about the difference between absolute violence and assumed violence. Just because you assume someone is violent or abusive doesn't make it true. You can shout out loud as much as you want, post unnecessary bullshit to try and justify your pathetic rant but at the end of the day it means absolutely nothing if you cannot do the most basic elements of all which is provide conclusive evidence.
You're trying to claim that the Bainimarama governments stopped investigation. Yet more allegation because you don't have any facts to back up that wild accusations.
What's next are you going to claim now that Bainimarama government stopped investigation to investigate those who are meant to investigate those allegations.
If you wanna be taken seriously all you got to do is post concrete facts and wait for it to be scrutinised and if it passes the scrutiny then it becomes absolute facts which will then back up your allegations.
Simply saying stuff like investigation was stopped and Hitler wasn't investigated simply doesn't make your allegations true because there is still no substance to your allegations end of.
It's as simple as not guilty until proven conclusively to be otherwise.
Is that all you got, Vili? Mere is never gonna date you if you can't stimulate her intellectually.
You keep saying she's making wild allegations. She asked you to point them out. Can't you accommodate the lady? Especially since you're the one who keeps demanding evidence from everyone.
This government always claims it's investigating cases of buturakiyeut years later still has never gotten anywhere in those investigations. even though C4.5 was able to crack the case in days. So, she got you on that point, boy.
She also made a good point about Hitler, eh? The Allies alleged human rights violations against him, but the real proof didn't come until after his government was crushed. By then the idea of laying criminal charges against Hitler was moot. Get it now, moot?LOL.
But where did Mere compare Bainimarama with Hitler? She didn't. You did. Mere just used the case of Hitler to point out the absurdity of your pathetic argument. Now she's tricked YOU into being the one comparing Bainimarama to Hitler. LOL.
Better set your sights lower, bro. You're outta your league with this chick.
Haha. I can't decide whoes replies make Vili Rakoro look sillier — Mere's or his own!
Anonymous 2.39 am
Mate in order to have an interesting intellectual debate we have to always point out our sources of research. Which takes us on a journey of differing views with differing evidence. All the while it's exciting because both side of the argument are debating using facts. So to simulate intellect you have to debate intellectually.
In my case and Mere she is throwing out allegations and I am demanding facts which makes our debate intellectually corrupt. If she was throwing her own facts to back up her claims and I am scrutinising those facts and vice versa then believe me that makes it interesting because we are on the same levels just different angles or sides.
The problem though is that we are not even on the same level. I am right up there with my persistence in evidence and she is down and dirty with her allegations. To be on the same level either she has to post conclusive facts or I start posting about human rights violation that was carried out during the 2000 coup that the Qarase government failed to fully investigate and brushed under the carpet.
The difference between me and Mere is that for me even though in my opinion I believe the Qarase government carried out the worst human rights violation of our country because it included the racist treatment of Fijian of Indian decent both physically during the 2000 coup and emotional through hate speeches and policies during Qarase's reign, I still regard it as pure speculation and allegations because I don't have conclusive proof to back up my opinions.
Mere on the other hand don't have a problem with posting her opinions which is her right obviously. However when I question her facts she tries to swerve because she is trying so hard to convince people that she is right regardless of lack of evidence. And I am insisting that if she posts facts then perhaps it will solidify her insistence. Because otherwise she is just another nutter spreading her bullshit opinions based on coconut wireless.
@ Vili
Was that your Pajero or Ford I saw with 'Tui Viti' as registration plate?
You both twins?
Mere's posts are articulate, understandable and very true. But Vili's are too long-winded accomplishing no truth and nothing at all.
Vili's supporters are saying that C4.5 blogsite should be closed but so many of the regime followers are also posting their obscenities here. If they open up their own site then no one would be complaining.
Anonymous 1:17 PM, I couldn't agree with you more.
Mere is clear and persuasive. What she says makes perfect sense. Vili, on the other hand, just spouts nonsense as though it were scientific fact. Mere answers Vili point by point, but Vili just pontificates and never really answers Mere's challenges.
I've also noticed that particularly since the arrival of Qorvis, we've seen a lot of trolls get on this site to abuse, threaten and provoke people. Isn't it enough that the regime (yes, REGIME, not government — this was an illegal election) controls all of the media in Fiji? Why can't the pro-regime treasonists get their own blogsite? That would clean up this blogsite immensely.
I'm frankly getting tired of these pro-regime trolls posting lies and obscenities on this website and then criticising the website for it. That isn't honest debate. It's just a lot of Rakoro-type ranting.
Obviously you two will agree with Mere because it enforces your hatred for the government. However that still doesn't make it valid nor true because articulate and understable does not make it a fact.
And let me remind you lot that these blog doesn't state that it's specifically for SODELPA. It's a blog for all Fijian so quit the pathetic rant.
The reasons I am asking for Mere to post evidence is because you just cannot go around accusing people or organisation of abuse without any shred of evidence.
Wed, 06/08/2014
Fiji’s Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama’s eight years in power have seen ongoing serious human rights violations fuel a climate of fear that must be brought to an end, Amnesty International said in a new briefing published ahead of the leader’s visit to New Zealand this week.
As Fiji prepares for parliamentary elections next month – the first in the eight years since Bainimarama took power in the 2006 military coup – Fiji: Play Fair, A human rights agenda documents the continued suppression of freedom of expression, violations of workers’ rights and use of torture by security forces, all of which the government must urgently address.
“A combination of draconian laws, a pattern of intimidation and harassment of those who are critical of the government, as well as reports of torture by the security forces, have created a climate of fear in Fiji,” said Rupert Abbott, Amnesty International’s Deputy Asia-Pacific Director.
Despite Prime Minister Bainimarama’s commitments to create “a level playing field for all Fijians,” human rights defenders, journalists and trade union leaders continue to face harassment and intimidation for peacefully carrying out their legitimate work.
The briefing documents the case of Kris Prasad, a peaceful activist for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) people. He was one of 12 people arrested in September 2013 for peacefully protesting against the new Constitution, which came into force that month.
In late April 2014, police again contacted Prasad and other activists, saying that they wanted to reopen the investigation and conduct further interviews – measures that Prasad describes as “tactics of intimidation”.
“Restrictions on freedom of expression, assembly and association in Fiji should be lifted and acts of intimidation and harassment against government critics and peaceful activists must stop," said Rupert Abbott.
The government continues to violate workers’ rights by banning strike action for many industries and by intimidating and harassing trade union officials.
In another case highlighted in the human rights agenda, trade union leaders Felix Anthony and Daniel Urai have been arrested and charged with multiple criminal offences over the past two years, including the more serious charges of sedition, for peacefully advocating for workers’ rights.
Compounding the climate of fear are repeated reports of Fijian security forces using torture and other ill-treatment against people in custody. Perpetrators of these and other human rights violations enjoy impunity, with broad amnesties entrenched in the new Constitution.
In a video that surfaced online in March last year, security forces can be seen assaulting a recaptured prisoner. In the disturbing film, Iowene Bendito was repeatedly hit with sticks and batons, while another man was dragged along the ground by a dog. Following the release of the video, Bainimarama reportedly said he would “stand by his men”.
"Torture and ill treatment by security forces must be stopped and those responsible for such crimes held to account," said Rupert Abbott. “It is not enough to say the right things when abroad while allowing the repression to continue at home. Prime Minister Bainimarama and his government should act now to end the climate of fear.”
As Fiji’s teams return from the Commonwealth Games, and as the country prepares for elections in September, Amnesty International is calling on the Fijian government to play fair and respect human rights. The organization is also calling on political parties and candidates to publicly commit to ensuring that international human rights laws and standards are protected. Fiji’s current government must commit to respecting human rights in the lead up to elections, including by lifting restrictions on freedom of expression, peaceful assembly and association and refraining from harassment of political candidates, journalists and others.
Vili, which of the following statements from the U.S. Department of State's Annual Human Rights Report is/are untrue?
April 8, 2011
Fiji, with a population of approximately 837,000, is a republic under a 1997 constitution that provided for a ceremonial president selected by the Great Council of Chiefs and an elected prime minister and Parliament. However, in April 2009 the interim government headed by armed forces commander Commodore Josaia Voreqe (Frank) Bainimarama abrogated the constitution, imposed a state of emergency, and continued its rule by decree, a situation that remained at year's end. The abrogation followed a bloodless coup d'etat in late 2006 in which Bainamarama overthrew the elected government and dissolved Parliament. In 2007 the interim military government was replaced by a nominally civilian interim government headed by Bainimarama as prime minister. Public Emergency Regulations (PER) promulgated in April 2009 remained in effect at year's end. Security forces did not report to civilian authorities.
The government denied citizens the right to change their government peacefully. The government dismissed the entire judiciary in 2009 and replaced it with its own appointees. In July the government implemented a media decree that continued censorship and intimidation of the media. Other continuing human rights problems included police and military impunity, poor prison conditions, restrictions on freedom of speech and peaceful assembly, prosecution and deportation of regime critics and human rights activists, attacks against religious facilities, the dismissal of constitutionally appointed government officials, government corruption, deep ethnic division, violence and discrimination against women, and sexual exploitation of children.
""attacks against religious facilities""
Are these the same religious facilities raping women and children?
From Vili Rakoro:
You just cannot go around accusing people or an organisation of abuse without any shred of evidence.
From Wikipedia:
The Universal Periodic Review, which is a progress which involves a review of the human rights records of the Member States of the UN, by the Human Rights Council, every four years, reviewed the human rights situation in Fiji in August 2009.
“Fiji remains a military dictatorship that denies its citizens the right to take part in self-government through free and fair elections, as well as the freedoms of speech, press, assembly, and religion. Since the December 5, 2006 coup d'état, the military and police have arbitrarily arrested and detained human rights defenders, journalists and others perceived as critical of the administration. Four people have died in military or police custody and dozens of people have been intimidated, beaten, sexually assaulted, or subjected to degrading treatment. Fiji's interim administration continues to fail to uphold the rule of law and has seriously compromised the independence of the judiciary. No UN special procedures have visited since the 2006 coup. A visit by the UN Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers is pending, though the Fiji government has failed to advise a suitable time for this visit. The government has not responded to the request to visit of the Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.”
Fiji: Honor Commitments to Human Rights Council
Make Verifiable Changes to Dismal Rights Record
OCTOBER 26, 2014
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Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama speaks during the 64th United Nations General Assembly at U.N. headquarters in New York, September 26, 2009.
© 2009 Reuters
(Geneva) – UN member states should press the government of Fiji during its UN human rights review to end ill-treatment in detention, cease harassment and arbitrary arrest of its citizens, and stop interfering with judicial independence, Human Rights Watch said today. Fiji will undergo its second Universal Periodic Review (UPR), an assessment of each member country’s rights record held every four years, before the Human Rights Council in Geneva on October 29, 2014.
Fiji’s September 17 elections, the first in nearly eight years, resulted in the election of the Fiji First party, headed by former coup leader and military strongman Voreqe Bainimarama. Human Rights Watch, in a submission to the council, called on the government of Fiji to guarantee protection of human rights defenders, respect freedom of expression, order investigations into allegations of security forces abuses, and commit to reforming the judiciary.
“The UPR review in Geneva is a unique occasion to test whether the new Fiji government can seriously address its human rights problems,” said Phil Robertson,deputy Asia director. “But it is worrisome Prime Minister Bainimarama’s government apparently lacks any policy to either ensure accountability for past rights abuses or to take on real rights reforms.”
Fiji’s current constitution grants “absolute and unconditional immunity” to all members of public services and security forces, as well as public office holders, for actions taken during the 2006 coup d’état until the new parliament started officially functioning. During its 2009 UPR review, Fiji accepted recommendations to take active measures to investigate and prosecute those responsible for acts of torture and ill-treatment, and put an end to immunity for members of the military and police force. There is little evidence to suggest that Fiji has implemented these recommendations.
For example, the Fiji government took no action when a video surfaced in March 2013 depicting what appears to be Fijian soldiers torturing and beating two men. When asked whether there would be an investigation, then-Commodore Bainimarama responded that he would stick by his men and officials implicated in the incident.
“Failure to investigate torture by Fijian soldiers that was caught on film raises red flags about a culture of impunity for security forces in Fiji,” Robertson said. “UN member states should push the new government to order an independent investigation into all allegations of torture and ill-treatment.”
Human Rights Watch urged member states to make concrete, time-bound recommendations to the government of Fiji to respect basic civil and political rights. The Human Rights Watch submission noted that the government of Fiji has imposed severe restrictions on freedom of expression and association. During the first review, Fiji promised to “abolish any policy or decree that restricts the freedom of the media or the rights of freedom of association and movement.” Yet the 2010 Media Decree remains in place, a law that prohibits any publication that is perceived to go “against public interest or order.”
Human Rights Watch noted that despite lifting the highly restrictive Public Emergency Regulations bill in January 2012, Fiji military and police continued to arrest and detain those perceived as critical of the administration, particularly during public protests.
Human Rights Watch pointed out the previous government of Fiji had failed to uphold the rule of law and continually encroached on the independence of the judiciary. The courts have used broadly defined contempt provisions to limit freedom of expression and silence the media. A petition filed by William Marshall, a former Fiji Appeal Court judge, claimed interference with the justice system by Attorney General Sayed-Khaiyum. Fiji’s four major opposition parties have requested further investigation into Marshall’s petition.
Respect for workers’ rights continued to deteriorate since Fiji’s last UPR review. In September 2012, then-Commodore Bainimarama expelled an International Labour Organisation (ILO) delegation from Fiji that was trying to investigate serious violations of worker’s rights. Only in June 2014, when the ILO threatened to establish a commission of inquiry on Fiji if the ILO direct contacts mission was not admitted to the country before November did Fiji relent. An ILO mission visited the country in early October 2014.
Human Rights Watch also called on UN member states to encourage the government of Fiji to issue an open invitation to all Special Procedures of the UN Human Rights Council, and swiftly facilitate the visits of Special Procedures who have requested access.
“The UPR review is an important opportunity for Prime Minister Bainimarama and his government to prove they are serious about moving towards real democratic reform,” Robertson said. “Authorities in Fiji should understand that without the realization of fundamental rights, there will be no truly democratic transition in the country.”
Ah the copy and paste mob are back, nothing to say themselves.
More bleating about their human rights.............
What a pity half of them could not recognise what they actually mean.
Next the morons will be talking unfair media restrictions but can anyone see anything these moaners write here that could actually be put in the mainstream media...............
I wonder how many letters to the editor KNR has put forward to the dailies?
It takes a special kind of person to dismiss international human rights reports as "bleating" and to defend the way Leters to the Editors don't get published for fear of antagonising the government. That special kind of person is commonly known as a fascist.
@Anonymous 10:42 PM
And of course the one thing they need to be taught is to stop looking for excuses for everything and blaming everyone else.
But it's hard to change a culture.
What do you mean? It's not my fault I'm a fascist. KNR made me do it.
@ Vili Rakoro December 31, 8:28 PM.
"you just cannot go on accusing people or organization of abuse without any shred of evidence."
I was wondering why Rakoro has not responded to the evidences provided to the public and the world by the UN Human Rights Commission and the Wikipedia which have followed his false accusations on this thread.
So Rakoro, this is why people have put your credibility in question. It is why people are disbelieving you in increasing numbers. If you want more people on your side of the alley and if you want to win a fair and credible election next time, you need to tell us the truth.
In the next elections, if you want to win it fairly and squarely, you need to make up for all the lies that your Bainimarama and Khaiyum have perpetrated. There are too many of them (lies} to fill up this whole page, and they will come back at them and you.
I suppose if Fiji was utopia some may possibly take note of the human rights whines a few have but's let's think reality.
Fiji is a third world country, a very high percentage of it's people are uneducated. It has a culture of it's peoples rights being trodden on by it's cultural hierarchical system and it's religious institutions.
Once it evolves, which will take a few more generations others may take note.
Until then, the rest of the world could not care less about your petty moans, all they see is a society that deserves and needs what it's got.
Papua New Guinea police and army involved in shootout at lock-up
By PNG correspondent Liam Cochrane
Updated 8 Dec 2014, 11:26amMon 8 Dec 2014, 11:26am
Map: Papua New Guinea
Papua New Guinea's police and army have formed a joint taskforce to investigate a shootout between the two forces that left four men in hospital with gunshot wounds.
Businesses located near the confrontation closed their doors and there were reports of looting following the clash.
"After last night's stand off, culminating from a drunken brawl between our soldiers and policemen ... senior officers from both the defence force and the constabulary have now formed a taskforce to investigate," deputy police commissioner Jim Andrews said.
"I appeal to all members of the constabulary to refrain from provoking or inciting further violence with our counterparts from the Papua New Guinea Defence Force (PNGDF)."
The altercation began in the early hours of Saturday morning in the Port Moresby suburb of Boroko.
Police say a group of soldiers were drunk and disorderly on the street in front of a nightclub.
They arrested several soldiers and locked them up at the nearby Boroko police station.
A short time later, a group of soldiers arrived at the police station and managed to free three soldiers from the cells.
"Soldiers and policemen were embroiled in a violent confrontation and several gunshots were discharged," deputy commissioner Andrews said.
Four soldiers were hospitalised with gunshot injuries.
At the weekend, the police and army set up separate roadblocks in the area surrounding Boroko police station and the army's Murray Barracks.
Police say the situation is under control and senior officers of both forces held a joint press conference on Saturday.
"We don't want to speculate [on] anything as yet," colonel Vagi Oala, acting PNGDF chief of staff, said.
He said a preliminary report about the incident is expected by Tuesday.
"Appropriate disciplinary actions will be taken against any member of these two disciplinary forces who are found to have broken the law," deputy commissioner Andrews said.
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) have more than 70 officers in PNG advising the Royal Papua New Guinea Constabulary.
"We remain vigilant about the safety and security of our officers and we are assessing the situation as it unfolds," Assistant Commissioner Alan Scott, who leads the AFP advisory deployment, said.
12 August 2014
Australia Defence Force mentors support PNG army expansion
Thirteen members of the Australian Defence Force’s 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, have been deployed to Port Moresby as a Mentoring Training Team to support the Papua New Guinea Defence Force (PNGDF) to conduct its second Basic Recruit Course for this year.
Head of Australian Defence Staff in PNG, Colonel Dick Parker, said the mentoring through the Defence Cooperation Program directly supports PNGDF Commander Brigadier General Gilbert Toropo’s intent for a more professional and capable defence force.
“The relationship developed between Australian and PNG personnel allows for exchange of ideas and experiences, leading to mutual learning and the development of strong and lasting relationships,” Col Parker said.
Former PNGDF commander partly blames Australia for ill-discipline
Updated 19 July 2013, 10:53 AEST
Former commanders of the Papua New Guinea Defence Force have condemned recent assaults by soldiers against students in Port Moresby.
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Former PNGDF commander partly blames Australia for ill-discipline (Credit: ABC)
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Their organisation, the PNG Flag Officers League, has called for those responsible to face criminal charges and court martials.
At the weekend a group of more than 30 soldiers armed with bush knives, iron bars and firearms attacked students at the University of Papua New Guinea Medical School.. with one student seriously injured.
Spokesman, General Jerry Singirok says part of the problem is that the Australian government didn't keep earlier promises to help retrench unneeded soldiers.
Presenter:Bruce Hill
Speaker: General Jerry Singirok, a former PNGDF Commander
SINGIROK: I speak on behalf of former commanders of the Papua New Guinea Defence Force who formed an association called PNG Flag Officers League, basically to assist in attempting to resolve some inherent problems with the PNGDF and also avail ourselves so that we can participate in the development of a new look defence force for the next generations. On behalf of the association I released a press statement to condemn in the strictest terms that the actions by a few members of the regiment of the First Royal Pacific Islands Regiment is barbaric and warrants a criminal proceedings, including a court martial for those rogue soldiers who decided to do what they did. It does not reflect an image of a defence force at all, and so we've condemned and we've asked the commander and the minister and the Secretary for Defence to immediately discipline, and if necessary lay criminal charges against the soldiers, and to deal with the issues forthwith.
HILL: The army is supposed to the state's primary disciplined force, clearly that act a few days ago was not a disciplined act. Why is this ill-discipline actually there in the first place?
SINGIROK: Well there's no hope for a country to develop its security mechanism if there's no discipline, which is a prerequisite for a disciplined force. We are already trying to analyse and underpin some of the causes of why the acts of indiscipline, and we've concluded that the main reason why soldiers are doing what they're doing is because this government and successive governments, including the Australian government has not fulfilled a promise to retrench soldiers since 1999.
HILL: The Australian government actually did promise to help fund this project didn't they? They were going to get rid of some of the older soldiers, soldiers that weren't needed, send them back to their villages. Are you saying that the Australian government didn't follow through on that promise?
SINGIROK: Yes the Australian government is as libel as successive PNG governments because they made a statement, they committed, the Australian government in participating and assisting financially including provisions of transport and logistics to repatriate soldiers based on the eminent persons groups report, which one of the former governor generals was involved, Major General Mike Jeffries. That report recommended a downsize in the defence force, and it was funded by the Australian government, and sadly the Australian government has not fully implemented that report. So the problems of retrenchment and redundant soldiers started way back in 1999 immediately after I was removed as commander.
Former PNG army chief says police shootout 'unsurprising'
Updated 8 December 2014, 17:56 AEDT
The former commander of Papua New Guinea's defence force says he's not surprised by the shootout between soldiers and police officers in Port Moresby over the weekend.
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Former PNG army chief says police shootout 'unsurprising' (Credit: ABC)
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The shootout occured after a group of soldiers freed three colleagues from the Boroko police station early on Saturday morning after they'd been arrested for being drunk and disorderly.
Four soldiers were hospitalised with gunshot injuries while opportunists took advantage of the altercation to loot nearby businesses.
Major General Jerry Singarok says poor discipline is a major problem and rogue officers should be subject to criminal sanctions.
Minister for Defence – 2014 Australia-Papua New Guinea Defence Ministers’ meeting
15 December 2014
Minister for Defence David Johnston, today met with his Papua New Guinea counterpart, Dr Fabian Pok, for the second annual Australia-Papua New Guinea Defence Ministers’ Meeting.
“Dr Pok and I had wide ranging discussions on how Australia and Papua New Guinea can continue to strengthen our longstanding defence relationship, in order to advance our mutual security interests,” Senator Johnston said.
High on the agenda for the meeting were Australia and Papua New Guinea’s shared maritime security interests and priorities for defence cooperation in the year ahead.
“With an annual budget of $25 million, the Defence Cooperation Program with Papua New Guinea is Australia’s largest, underscoring the importance Australia places on our bilateral defence relationship,” he said.
“Consistent with the principles outlined in the 2013 Defence Cooperation Arrangement, Australia and Papua New Guinea work together as partners to support the development of a professional and capable Papua New Guinea Defence Force and Department of Defence.”
Australia's military role in Bougainville
Wednesday, October 26, 1994 - 10:00
By Ian Harrison
In the six years of the Bougainville war, the Australian government has directly invested over $200 million into the Papua New Guinea Defence Force (PNGDF). According to Department of Defence information, around 100 Australian military personnel train or serve with the PNGDF each year.
Unofficial sources hint that the figure is considerably larger — particularly with regard to Australia's involvement along the Irian Jaya frontier, which seems to be considered as Australia's unofficial land border with Indonesia. Australian advisers train PNG soldiers in Port Moresby, teach specialist troops, introduce new equipment and training techniques and act as consultants to the PNG government.
PNGDF personnel also receive specialist training in Australia — signals at Watsonia; junior officers at Duntroon; senior officers at Queenscliff; pilots at RAAF Point Cook and Oakey in Queensland; naval officers at Launceston, Fremantle and HMAS Cerberus at Western Port Bay, where PNGDF officers are currently being trained in communications and gunnery. In short, training supplied by Australia has been absolutely central to the continuation of the Bougainville war.
The clearest example comes from 1991, the low point of the war for Papua New Guinea. Its security force abandoned Bougainville in 1990. Over the next two years, Australia trained more than 400 PNG soldiers in jungle warfare at the Canungra Warfare Centre behind the Gold Coast. The Australian government pumped $52 million into PNG's army in 1991 alone. The soldiers trained in Queensland then almost certainly participated in the invasion of Bougainville at the end of that year.
On Bougainville itself, RAAF personnel advise their PNG partners on establishing, maintaining and using the helicopters and Nomad fixed-wing aircraft that Australia has supplied. The Australian government also bankrolled the mercenaries who flew the choppers and Nomads until PNG pilots could be fully trained.
Australian navy advisers perform a similar service for the four Pacific class patrol boats that Australia gave to PNG. It is also known that two Australian "engineering" teams have been on Bougainville for at least a year. The Bougainville Revolutionary Army (BRA) has encountered these fully armed "engineers" patrolling the jungles.
Virtually all PNGDF equipment comes from Australia. The design for their camouflage jackets is produced here; the rifles, machine guns, and mortars they use are of Australian manufacture; most of their rifle ammunition was produced at the Australian Defence Industries' old factory in Footscray, and mortar bombs at the St Mary's factory in Sydney. A "Supply Support Agreement" signed by PNG and Australia allows the PNGDF to treat Australian military depots like supermarkets. Australian arms manufacturers were not slow to become involved either, supplying a wide range of supplementary equipment.
Australia is up to its neck in the war. It did everything it could, short of sending in battalions of its own troops, to perpetuate the conflict with the hope of some sort of PNG military victory. Not surprising then, is the extreme hostility of the Bougainville people to Australian involvement in the peacekeeping force. Many Bougainvilleans have had members of their families and their friends killed by Australian-made weapons, carried by Australian-trained hands, in what is an Australian-inspired war.
The recent peace process was the third time talks have been held during this war. Belligerent militarism scuttled both the previous attempts to end the war. However, PNG now faces a severe financial crisis. The new prime minister, Julius Chan, is a child of the world economy. In purely financial terms, he sees the war as losing PNG millions of kina and producing no revenue whatsoever.
Mercenary Implicates Singirok
Moscow Times
Apr. 03 1997 00:00
PORT MORESBY, Papua New Guinea -- The British soldier who led 70 African mercenaries into Papua New Guinea said Wednesday that rebel army chief Jerry Singirok was in on the mercenary plan from the start and negotiated its details.
Retired colonel Tim Spicer told a public inquiry in the Papua New Guinea capital that Singirok -- who later led opposition to the mercenaries -- attended a meeting in Australia almost a year ago when the $36 million mercenary contract was first discussed.
"Singirok has been very much aware of the details of the proposal, the contract and the total operations," Spicer said.
Singirok was sacked last month after he sparked a political crisis in the South Pacific nation by demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Sir Julius Chan over plans to use the mercenaries to crush an uprising on Bougainville island.
Singirok argued that an assault on the copper-rich island would cause unnecessary civilian deaths and ruin the chances of a peaceful resolution of the nine-year conflict.
He also alleged that the deal was mired in corruption -- a charge that Spicer rejected at the inquiry.
First he dismisses allegations of human rights as unproven. Confronted by the facts, he now changes his tune, saying that Fijians don't deserve human rights, and calling the defenders of human rights "whiners". That this is a person of low character is self-evident.
Yes, a dissembler of the first order. Probably studied under Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum.
Sounds like the PNGDF have stolen a page from the RFMF. Ill-disciplined soldiers bullying police who are just trying to do their jobs, then accusing the police of provocations. I hope the PNG government can get a handle on this whilst it still has a government, so the PNG doesn't end up a military dictatorship like Fiji.
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